What internal parasites are these?

[Chick3nLover]

Saw this last Friday in one of my White Leg Horn hen’s poop. The day I saw it I started ACV and garlic and then DE there after. I’m gonna keep watching her for another week, before decide weather or not to pull out the big guns “antibiotics”. I really prefer the natural route as far as possible but I’d rather keep my hen then avoid antibiotics.

The flock is also fighting a lice problem. So yah…. just doing my best.

She’s laying just fine, (only one fairy egg like 2 days ago, but back to normal now)

She’s energetic, sassy, and honestly aside from these normal.

Let me know if you know what exactly this is or could point me in the right direction.

Thanks y’all!

 

[dawg53]

Those are tapeworm segments. ACV, DE, and garlic wont do anything.
You need to purchase Equimax equine paste at a feed store and orally dose the chicken(s) that excreted the tapeworm segments. There is no need to treat your whole flock, only the one(s) that excreted the segments.
Equimax dosage is given orally, dosage is 0.03ml per pound or for a 5 pound bird give 0.15ml orally.
It's best to give the wormer early in the morning before feeding your birds. Your birds will be hungry and so will the tapeworms. The wormer will be more effective killing the tapeworms on an empty stomach. Wait a couple of hours after worming before feeding your birds.

 

[dawg53]

Use permethrin dust to treat your birds for the lice. Dust inside the coop and nest boxes as well. Repeat dusting in 10 days to kill nits hatched from eggs.

 

[Painted Calls]

Those are tapeworm segments. ACV, DE, and garlic wont do anything.
You need to purchase Equimax equine paste at a feed store and orally dose the chicken(s) that excreted the tapeworm segments. There is no need to treat your whole flock, only the one(s) that excreted the segments.
Equimax dosage is given orally, dosage is 0.03ml per pound or for a 5 pound bird give 0.15ml orally.
It's best to give the wormer early in the morning before feeding your birds. Your birds will be hungry and so will the tapeworms. The wormer will be more effective killing the tapeworms on an empty stomach. Wait a couple of hours after worming before feeding your birds.
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Use permethrin dust to treat your birds for the lice. Dust inside the coop and nest boxes as well. Repeat dusting in 10 days to kill nits hatched from eggs.

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Also wanted to add that antibiotics won't do anything for tapes or lice either.

 

[Chick3nLover]

Those are tapeworm segments. ACV, DE, and garlic wont do anything.
You need to purchase Equimax equine paste at a feed store and orally dose the chicken(s) that excreted the tapeworm segments. There is no need to treat your whole flock, only the one(s) that excreted the segments.
Equimax dosage is given orally, dosage is 0.03ml per pound or for a 5 pound bird give 0.15ml orally.
It's best to give the wormer early in the morning before feeding your birds. Your birds will be hungry and so will the tapeworms. The wormer will be more effective killing the tapeworms on an empty stomach. Wait a couple of hours after worming before feeding your birds.
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okay, thank you for your reply. I have a couple questions,

If they are segments, does that mean that they are longer inside?

if she’s completely normal except for the worms does she need treatment now? Or could it wait till the weekend.

Lastly why wouldn’t the Garlic ACV and DE not work?

Thank you so much for helping me

 

[dawg53]

Garlic isnt potent enough to remove any kinds of poultry worms, period. ACV and DE will not prevent nor treat worms. DE is a waste of money.
There could be one to several tapeworms growing inside one hen, as an example. They shed segments as the tapeworm grows inside the hen.
The excreted segments you see in feces work their way onto and into the soil where they are eaten by an insect. The infected insect is eventually eaten by one of your chickens and your chicken becomes infected, starting the tapeworms lifecycle all over again.
It's called the "Indirect Lifecycle" requiring a host to spread offspring.

 

[nuthatched]

okay, thank you for your reply. I have a couple questions,

If they are segments, does that mean that they are longer inside?

if she’s completely normal except for the worms does she need treatment now? Or could it wait till the weekend.

Lastly why wouldn’t the Garlic ACV and DE not work?

Thank you so much for helping me

For future note: for anyone else:
(WIP, I'm researching for an article)
Because DE, (also pumpkin seeds, cayenne, chewing tobacco, etc though I'm still researching them) are marketed as feed supplements rather than medicine, they need to prove only that it's safe, they do not have to prove that it's effective. ln fact, very few of them offer supporting data documenting any antiparasitic effect. When parasitologists have tested some of these products, they have rarely found convincing results.
The search for a more natural source of safe 'medications' is a good one and should be encouraged, many of to-days drugs are synthesized/concentrated versions of products found in nature. However, a common misconception that natural is always safe/ healthy, is misguided at best as Pit viper venom is natural and organic and will kill you.
The working theory for de for internal parasites is that if it's ingested, it is expelled in the droppings along with parasitic eggs, and as the droppings dry, the de retains it effectiveness and dries out the parasitic eggs, keeping the animal from re ingesting them, keeping the internal parasitic load manageable and also keeping the animal and you from breathing it as much. It does sound reasonable, but that doesn't make it true.
For it to work, the target must be in a completely dry environment, have an exoskeleton, or some sort of 'skin'. Every website or brand of de states that the product is ineffective for pest control when wet.
Every scientific study I've found on it has either ( a large majority) inconclusive results (no measurable difference between untreated and de treated groups) or found de treated groups to have significantly heavier worm loads than medicated groups. Only 3 studies (in sheep) that I've found so far, concluded that animals treated with de had a slightly less concentrated worm egg load per gram of fecal matter than the control (untreated) group, but the treated animals were 'poorly fleshed'.
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A number of people strongly believe that DE also has an antiparasitic effect when administered orally. However, I know of several studies that have evaluated the effects of DE on intestinal worms. Unfortunately, none of these have found that DE has any impact on internal parasites.

My qualified opinion is that physical damage to the parasites is unlikely to occur within the intestine of the horse. The worms and their larvae are very small, often too small to be seen with the naked eye. Infective larvae are very hardy and survive the grinding teeth as well as the stomach acids before reaching the intestine. By the time an oral dose of DE reaches the gut, it will be so diluted in the ingesta that the chances of individual particles encountering a parasite would be very small.

If the sharp particles really were present in numbers sufficient to cut the parasites, one would also expect them to cause lesions in the mucosal membranes of the horse. Furthermore, all horses ingest soil and sand, which also can have sharp edges, but we don’t see any reduction of parasite loads in response. All in all, there are no sound biological reasons to expect DE to have an antiparasitic effect—and this is supported by research.

Some have suggested that DE might be effective at disrupting parasitic larvae within the fecal pile on pasture. But, again, a number of my colleagues evaluated this hypothesis in controlled studies, and they found no such effect.
As scientists we take every opportunity to evaluate new possible remedies that can help reduce parasite loads in our horses. A few of these have some potential, but the majority have not worked well. At University of Kentucky, we are currently doing research with a couple of new treatment methods, and there is some promise. Many plants contain antiparasitic substances, but it has proven difficult to extract these and feed them in sufficiently high concentrations to the horses for them to have an effect. Many fungi also produce antiparasitic compounds. In fact, the most widely used dewormer, ivermectin, is actually produced by a fungus. So chances are good that there is an effective dewormer out there that just has not yet been discovered. Unfortunately, diatomaceous earth is not in this category, and we discourage horse owners from relying on it for parasite control.

IMO, from a researchers standpoint, 87% of my research concluded that it is ineffective in this use entirely, 8% concluded that it's better than nothing (minimal effectiveness) and 3% showed significant effectiveness, with a caveat or side effects. (slow weight gain, poorly fleshed com paired to untreated group) Respiratory scarring is also a issue but I'm still gathering data.
Given, most of these studies are on horses, sheep/goats and cattle but I see no reason why it would only work on certain animals and not others. But I'm still sifting through studies, we'll see how it pans out.
De does have good levels of trace minerals, however, it might be easier to dose with other means.
However, all poultry keepers should treat their flocks as they see fit!
Thank you!
Edit: my studies didn't transfer
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Tldr; de, pumpkin seeds, garlic and avc won't do a thing

 

[Kiki]

okay, thank you for your reply. I have a couple questions,

If they are segments, does that mean that they are longer inside?

if she’s completely normal except for the worms does she need treatment now? Or could it wait till the weekend.

Lastly why wouldn’t the Garlic ACV and DE not work?

Thank you so much for helping me

Garlic and DE won't work because they just don't work.


Get Equimax ASAP.

 

[dawg53]

I tried the natural route when it comes to worms many years ago, just about like every chicken owner. That natural stuff doenst work. It's a waste of time and money.
I've dealt with most types of poultry worms and I know what to treat them with.

 

[ChickNanny13]

Garlic and DE won't work because they just don't work.


Get Equimax ASAP.

I cringe when I hear a Sales Clerk at TSC recommend DE for external & internal parasites. Amazing how many here believed it as treatment ... I use it around as a preventative, sure keeps the bugs OUT of the house