I use the roll out pens ( HOMEMADE) the hole at the bottom of the front is about 1'-1 1/8" and I still get bob eggs that will not quiet roll out most of the coturnix make it out. a friend of mine who raises birds uses EMT/Conduit for support poles for his cages and he claims they are predator proof I have been using PVC plumbing pipe 3/4" size with a fair amount of success the last 1 1/2 years they have worked well I have only lost 1 bird to a snake but the pen this bird was in was too close to the fence and too close to the ground. my floors are 1/2" X 1" the ends of the pens are 1" X 2" another reason I may be having success is I constantly get rid of the predators here. repeating mouse traps rat traps etc