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[Bunnylady]

So, I have another genetics question. My friend bred two mini lops, a smoke pearl, and a broken steel. The babies don't look anything like the parents. The colors are as follows:
One solid that is grey with a white belly
Another solid that is dark grey with a white sheen to the fur
A broken that looks like a lighter black color (I'm thinking this one might be a steel)
And another broken, with grey colored fur
I don't know what was in their lines... Any idea what colors they could be?

I wouldn't breed a steel to a smoke pearl myself. There are too many possible combinations of genes that look like one thing, but may actually be another. The steel gene is the most dominant one in the E series, but it is a very strange gene. If a rabbit has one copy of the steel gene, and one of the normal extension gene, you get a steel (as long as the rabbit also has agouti at the A locus). Any other combination at the E locus, and you may get what looks like a self - which can be really confusing.

Offhand, I would guess that the grey with a white belly could be an Opal
The solid dark grey could be a blue
the lighter black color (?) might be a chestnut or steel

Without pictures, it's kind of hard to guess at what you are describing.

 

[kada6305]

Those are SO beautiful.  I know you are in love.  And, it's so nice that you are holding them and letting them know you before you take them home. 

Oh I wish that was me holding them! They are over a hr away from me so I won't see them for another 6 weeks. But I get weekly updates!!

 

[shadow rabbit10]

I wouldn't breed a steel to a smoke pearl myself. There are too many possible combinations of genes that look like one thing, but may actually be another. The steel gene is the most dominant one in the E series, but it is a very strange gene. If a rabbit has one copy of the steel gene, and one of the normal extension gene, you get a steel (as long as the rabbit also has agouti at the A locus). Any other combination at the E locus, and you may get what looks like a self - which can be really confusing. Offhand, I would guess that the grey with a white belly could be an Opal The solid dark grey could be a blue the lighter black color (?) might be a chestnut or steel Without pictures, it's kind of hard to guess at what you are describing.

We also guessed Opal and Blue... I didn't have my phone on me so I was not able to get pics. I guess once they are older we will find out their true colors. Thanks for the help!

 

[shadow rabbit10]

this cross will most likely through color mutts which could be bad representations of there color or shagoutis which are really weird

What is a shagouti?

 

[2seth2]

What is a shagouti?

It is a sable agouti or sable chin. It is basically shading and agouti expressed. As a netherland breeder if you get one of these you did something very wrong.

 

[Lynzi777]

Seeing as how you guys are on the topic of color genetics...the breeder I got my hollands from might be interested in my Magpie kit. I told her it doesn't have a lot of markings, just over it's left shoulder and down it's left arm. Thats it. She actually purchased a magpie buck this weekend, the cutest thing too! If my magpie ends up being a doe, and she breeds the two, will the doe have only magpies? OR are other colors bound to show up from the parents backgrounds?

 

[Bunnylady]

Magpie is harlequin at the E locus, and Chinchilla at the C locus (though I have seen some mags that were shaded at the C locus). Neither of these are the most recessive gene in their series, so it is possible to get some other colors. You won't get anything that has yellow/orange in it, for sure. If both are carrying the non-extension gene at the E locus, you might get frosted/ermine. REW, himi, and the shaded (light chinchillation, or sable) genes are all recessive to Chinchilla, so they might be lurking and pop up in future generations. Harlequin/magpie is supposed to be an agouti color, but it will also express over self (you get "smut" appearing at the places where torts are dark); if the parents are carrying self genes at the A locus, there could be self versions of these colors appearing in the kits. You could get a himi with very poor color on the points, or one dark and one light ear, for example.

 

[Lynzi777]

I see, well the parents to this magpie she got (which I believe she also bought at the end of the weekend LOL) are Magpie and blue tort. The parents to mine are Chinchilla and Harlequin. But also, like you're saying with the chance of getting poor coloring within a pattern, maybe it would be best to not breed two magpies together. I just love the coloring of them for some reason. I'd love to have one with more markings than the kit that my doe is raising right now.

 

[Lynzi777]

More pics of the babies!!

 

[shadow rabbit10]

So cute! Love the pink one! The calicos are cool too! (Are they harlequins?)