What's the deal on Eastern Wild Turkeys

I agree! To pose another question: What recourse would you have if you were to buy "EW" from someone and they turned out to not be EW? Would it be like going to the cops and saying" I bought this crack from this guy and it turned out to be smashed up aspirins"!!
 
Yea I know what your taking about. I wanted some tell I read it was illegal. But I got a friend that bought some and he was telling me that it's ok to have them you just can't release em. I don't know. But like you are saying there is a TON of ppl that have them and they advertise. And they say that it's illegal to have a white tail deer in Alabama. Last year my cousin seen a doe get hit with a dawn and stopped and got the fawn. We call the wildlife mangement ppl and they acted like they didn't care. They wanted us to drive 3 hours and bring them the baby. So I think that it's kinda a law they don't really enforce. I know a local game warden good. If I see him soon I'll ask him an see what he says.
 
Every state that allows the propagation of EW's makes it illegal to release the birds into the wild. Yet I can release bobwhite quail on my property under a retriever training permit, with no concern about what race of bobwhites, and how they may affect wild populations. Truth is, and from the mouths of every wildlife biologist I've spoken to, the captive released birds just don't have what it takes to make it in the wild, turkey, quail or pheasant, and frankly the risk of disease is minimal at best. Even a sick individual released will probably not survive a day without being the victim of a predator. Here in Maryland you need to keep accurate records of each individual, how it was sold or disposed of and send in the reports at permit renewal.

Most Natural Resource Dept's are so stretched thin, that who has what is not high on the list of priorities. Poaching is their #1 law enforcement concern and that seems like a loosing battle with the # of officers that are on active patrol. If I lived in a state that didn't permit eastern wilds in captivity, I certainly wouldn't sell or even advertize their sale to the public.

Genetically, the game farm wilds that the hatcheries sell have standard bronze or Nittany turkey in their lines and are not considered pure. Nittany's are a gamefarm variety that was developed back in Pennsylvania during the 40's. The pure birds are a whole different animal, in plumage, anatomical proportions, and temperment. Biologists have determined that even if a hatchery bird bred with a wild population, the 50/50 offspring would be at a disadvantage and natural selection would weed the inferior genes out within a short time. Turkey hunting is big in such states as NC and Alabama, ($$$$$) and thus is probably a reason the're overly protective of the population.
 
We live in NC and wanted to get some EW turkeys, oh well. I remember my hubby saying he found a nest on his farm with like 12 eggs that the hen had left. All eggs were still intact. He really wanted them, but he said it's a $5,000 fine PER EGG. So, some skunk had a really nice meal.

I think in NC they are stricter on some things than others. At least, where we live.
 
i live in alabama and wanted some easterns so i went to the co op in talladega and they ordered them for me through ideal i think. the reason i did that is i only wanted five and they compile a list of people who want turkeys and order them all together so you dont have to buy like 15 or whatever it is. i guess what i am trying to get at is, i am pretty sure the co ops have a certain set of laws and guidelines they have to go by and they would not sell you something that would be illegal. i mean you cant buy a sack of marijuana seeds at the co op. i think alot of people misread this law. it says you cannot possess live eastern wild turkeys. in this from my understanding you cannot trap turkeys on the back forty and raise and breed eastern "wild" turkeys. in this i am saying the hatcheries use the term eastern wild loosely to say to people like me that hunt turkeys," hey you can have the same breed of beautiful bird that you hunt in the spring, in your own backyard to view in all its glory up close and personal all year long." with that said i own eastern "domesticated" turkeys and there is no law that states that you cannot own eastern domesticated turkeys. or at least that is my opinion. i am off my soapbox now.
 
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This is what I am curious about. What is the difference between an Eastern Wild Turkey and an Eastern Wild Domesticated Turkey? Why is it illegal to have Eastern "Wild" and not illegal to have Eastern Wild "domesticated"? Is it just about the Wild/Domesticated part? Do they have different genetics? Or IS it just the fact that you can't go out and catch one but you CAN buy them from a breeder/hatchery? Thanks for everybody's post! To me it is a very interesting topic.

And Steve, you are correct, if it IS illegal, I do not want to do it.

Thanks!
 
I think a lot of people get them and offer them for sale not knowing that it's illegal because they never checked. Here it is illegal to have any type of bird that is found locally in the wild without a permit. They even said that I would need a permit for Mandarin ducks even though they aren't in the wild here, probably because the hens look very much like a Wood duck hen. If you get the permit and any of your birds get loose, you have a short period of time before you are required to report it. But TSC sells Mallard ducks which are abundant in the wild. When you buy the birds on line, it is up to the buyer to make sure that they have all required permits, not the seller. So you can get them, but make sure it's legal.
 
SED, just go to your states dept. of Natural resources, or what ever they call it, and ask for clarification! Asking opinions from everyone here won't mean a thing if your caught doing wrong. Wildlife officer isn't going to give a flying fart what anyone in NC , Maryland, or wherever said on BYC while he's writing you a summons.

As to the difference between the wild and domesticated forms, yes it is genetic, to a degree. They are both still turkeys. Here in Maryland, a wild eastern turkey is a wild eastern turkey, native OR domesticated. They aren't going to do genetic tests on the birds to see if they came from the wild or a hatchery.

If you trapped a wild bird, you couldn't keep it in captivity very long. They will kill themselves attempting to escape their enclosure. They are that frantic and wild. Even a wild poult would never totally become comfortable in an enclosure and pace relentlessly. I have witnessed this first hand through a wildlife rehab center.

Again, go to your states contact point and good luck!
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Let us know how you make out.
 
I think it has alot to do with the hunting in any state.Hunting is big money in the state of Alabama and lots of other states.Why would the state want just anyone raising wild birds for release knowing some could just get away or be sold or cross with any turkeys.A wild turkey is just that,a wild turkey.Any adult bird would not survive a pen.It's not meant to.A egg found and hatched is not a wild turkey.You may very well find wild turkey genetics in farm raised poults,but not raised from the actual wild parents that made it.My first turkeys were hatched from eggs I got from a friend that had a friend who had turkeys.I didn't care what breed they were,just wanted turkeys.Later i found out they were probably at least half wild as all his birds free-ranged several hunderd acres with wild turkeys.That was a few years ago and I have added new bronze blood to my first hens.I still have 2 of the first 14 I hatched.Of those 2 one went off to the woods looking for her tom this year.I penned her up and hatched her eggs.Are the poults wild or tame?We've only had real wild turkeys here about 10 years or less.I was born here in Alabama and didn't see a white-tail deer until I was 13 years old.There wasn't any until they released some around the time I was born.We now have feral hogs and armadillos to boot.We try,as keepers of the land,to balance it all out.We take what we get and work with it.I'm sorry I got so far off topic,by all means,if your want a wild-type turkey,get one or two.I'd give any bird I have now to have the ones I remember from my great-grandparents farm.

I just had the thought,right now the wild tukeys in alabama are really doing great.If I could raise birds to release here it would be the quails.Thats what I miss.If you've never had a covie of quails bust out of the brush in front of you,wow its so cool
 

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