whats the point of peach peafowl?

[AquaEyes]

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India Blue is a species. The colors and patterns are the result of mutations which occurred in the species. The difference between colors in peafowl is the same as the difference in colors in poodles. Hair-color differences in people are also the result of differences in a few genes. A blond man and a brunette woman having children is the same thing as a Peach peacock and an Opal peahen having chicks.

 

[AquaEyes]

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See the pic below of three cockatiels. Lutino, Pearl and Cinnamon are sex-linked mutations. In order for there to be any combination of two of these three, crossover had to happen in a male split to two of them, so that both mutations occur on the same chromosome. This is the same thing that happened with Peach. To answer "what's the point?" I'd say "look at the beautiful result of putting more than one mutation together." And as far as a "point" in breeding, consider this -- a Peach male has the genes for Purple and Cameo, so if you set him up with a hen each of Peach, Cameo and Purple, you'll get all female chicks in Peach, and male chicks in Peach, Purple and Cameo. So not only does combining mutations offer a new phenotype, it also allows for a range of offspring from specific pairings.


https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/81585_cinnamons_pearls.jpg

Those are some pretty strange looking peafowl, shouldn't they be on the caged bird part of this forum?

They are here as an example of the same type of inheritance that gave rise to Peach, and to show that "there is a point" to putting these different mutations together. Please read what I typed as well as looking at the picture.

 

[Yoda]

A pure breed is anything that really breeds true. Like you have a IB hen and peacock and get IB babies. A male pointer and a female pointer breed pointer, a peach peacock and a peach hen breed peach so then according to you it is a pure breed. Here's a thought, I have pure breed pointers and when they breed I do get pointers but they are different colors - no 2 puppies are the same. I get solid colors and spottede and some with less spots - so are they not pure breeds? If not should I sue the person who told me so? LMAO!
Think about this: What bred with what to create a peafowl? See it really isn't "pure" the only thing pure in this world is ME!

 

[AquaEyes]

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There is a hierarchy of delineation with these terms, and not understanding them or using them incorrectly will lead to confusion. There are species, and when domesticated, there are breeds within a species, and within a breed there are varieties. Breeding one variety of a breed with another variety of the same breed will still give you the same breed, though the resulting offspring might not be of a variety recognized by a breed standard.

A species is a population of organisms that is interbreeding amongst itself and produces offspring that resemble the parents. If two different species are capable of reproducing, their offspring will be intermediate in appearance, rather than resembling one parent over the other.

When a species is domesticated, people can select small levels of variation, or dramatic changes resulting from single mutations, and through non-random mating, affect the appearance of sub-populations. The result is that these sub-populations have a combination of genes that are not found in the rest of the larger population, and if this new sub-population is capable of reproducing its differences consistently into the next generation, then it is called a breed.

Typically, breeds will have a set standard of characteristics to which individuals must conform, and sometimes these standards do not include variations from single genes (such as coat color). Thus if you have pointers that throw a puppy of an unrecognized color, they may not be accepted into the standard but they have all the other genetic requirements for the breed. They are not necessarily "mutts." They could simply be the result of a mutation which was not preferred when the breed standard was written, and were not deemed desirable to breed further. For example, Dalmations come in black and white, and liver (chocolate) and white. These are the accepted colors. If a Dalmation was born with an additional mutation resulting in further dilution of color, it could look lemon and white. The difference is just one gene, and otherwise it is a Dalmation, but it is not in an accepted color.

There are many genes responsible for the differences in appearance in a breed versus the rest of the species, but fewer than the number of genes that differ between two different species. Within a breed, there can be variations in color, pattern, or feather/fur texture that are the result of an even smaller number of genes. These can be called varieties of a breed. Basically, the varieties all share the same basic "breed skeleton" but are "colored in" differently.

Here's an example -- wolves are the ancestral species from which dogs were domesticated. The difference between a wolf and a coyote, on a genetic level, is greater than the difference between a wolf and a dog (yes, wolves and coyotes can still interbreed, which suggests that they are closely related, but not as closely related as dogs and wolves).

Dogs are domesticated wolves, and during the course of our thousands of years of breeding dogs, people have selected for different traits in their animals. When these traits are concentrated and combined into a sub-population that can reproduce among itself and have offspring that maintain the same characteristics, we have breeds. Thus, for example, poodles differ from other breeds of dog in their body shape and proportions, coat texture, etc. And these characteristics that define a poodle are reproducible if you pair a poodle with another poodle.

Poodles are still a type of dog, and differ to a smaller degree on a genetic level from other dogs than they do from coyotes. Thus poodles are not different enough to be called a species, but are a breed. If you breed a poodle with a collie (another breed), you will still have dogs, but these dogs will be intermediate between their parent species. This is because some of the genes found in poodles are dominant to those in collies, and vice versa. In a sense, they are like a hybrid of two different species, but to a much lesser degree, because the genetic difference between poodles and collies is much smaller than the genetic difference between a poodle and a coyote.

Poodles come in many colors, which are determined by an even smaller genetic difference than there is between a poodle and a collie. In many cases, the differences in color are the result of just one gene. I don't remember if white poodles are a dominant or recessive mutation, but let's just say they are dominant. And let's say that black is recessive to white. If you breed a black poodle to a white poodle, the genes that result in "poodle" are found in both parents, so all the offspring will be "poodles." However, the color will be dependent on which single gene is expressed visually -- black or white. Thus breeding together different varieties of a breed that are different because of just one or a few genes will not result in the degree of "mixing" that you'd find if you bred a poodle with a collie.

With peafowl, there really aren't any breeds. There are two ancestral species (unless the greens get divided up further) -- the India Blue and the Green. Breeding the two together results in Spaldings, which are intermediate in appearance to their parents, based on which genes are dominant in one parent species over the other. The IBs have been bred in captivity for a long time, and we do find variations in color and pattern, but these are small genetic differences. Blackshoulder IBs get their color/pattern from simply having two copies of the Blackshoulder gene. Otherwise, there is no genetic difference between what would be called a regular IB and a Blackshoulder IB. They are like different colors of poodles. Such a small degree of difference is not enough to constitute a breed. If someone were to selectively breed peafowl for traits controlled by a larger number of genes -- let's say someone wanted to breed bantam peafowl -- then perhaps they would become a new breed. But otherwise, there is no "standard" for the colors of peafowl because they either have it or they don't.

OK, have to get to class....catch ya later.

 

[deerman]

Yes most of the peafowl colors were found in the india blue peafowl....now in the peafowl world the spalding is the cross .

Peach is one of the colors i liked.....different strokes for different folks.


AquaEyes so if me (brunette) and GF (blonde) what color will our peachicks be peach or opal .

 

[deerman]

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Have to agree all the posting of genetics, think AquaEyes you are confusing so many.....think it alot easier , put in more common terms. Think you will be surprise how many skip over your post. I know you are trying to help and do have alot of good info. But your not getting people to read those extra long post.

I also learn alot of knowledge of genetics from breeding cockatiel and parakeet(Budgies) like all those sexlink colors. So i know alot of what you are talking about.


Yes i wonder about peach being a purple cameo for a few years, but now we have people on here .think it as easy as crossing a cameo x purple. As you have post with % of chicks these would take 6 years or longer, when a peachs are selling for 100.00.

Think you would get more of this info to everyone ,break down your post and deal with each subject , not alot of info on all area of genetics in a single post.

Keep up with the post.....basic genetic on peafowl patterns and colors not that hard to understand.


Some of the thing i try to do ,is like on sex link color. just few facts like no hen can be split to sex link color, you need a sex link hen to get a male in sex link color. male of sex link color x non sexlink= all females sexlink color ...all male non sexlink color. We know how those colors are on sex chromosome. i don't try to go in detail , just let other know results of mating.

 

[AquaEyes]

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Have to agree all the posting of genetics, think AquaEyes you are confusing so many.....think it alot easier , put in more common terms. Think you will be surprise how many skip over your post. I know you are trying to help and do have alot of good info. But your not getting people to read those extra long post.

I also learn alot of knowledge of genetics from breeding cockatiel and parakeet(Budgies) like all those sexlink colors. So i know alot of what you are talking about.


Yes i wonder about peach being a purple cameo for a few years, but now we have people on here .think it as easy as crossing a cameo x purple. As you have post with % of chicks these would take 6 years or longer, when a peachs are selling for 100.00.

Think you would get more of this info to everyone ,break down your post and deal with each subject , not alot of info on all area of genetics in a single post.

Keep up with the post.....basic genetic on peafowl patterns and colors not that hard to understand.


Some of the thing i try to do ,is like on sex link color. just few facts like no hen can be split to sex link color, you need a sex link hen to get a male in sex link color. male of sex link color x non sexlink= all females sexlink color ...all male non sexlink color. We know how those colors are on sex chromosome. i don't try to go in detail , just let other know results of mating.

I understand that what I post is beyond what some can comprehend, but based on replies and PM's, I know there are also those who can comprehend it, so when something requires a detailed answer, I go for it. I do appreciate the comment, Deerman, and I will take it into consideration when I need to answer simple questions. I just answered a simple question with a simple answer on the Ducks forum, about crests. I think you'd be proud on how "to the point" my answer was.

hehehe

 

[deerman]

AE did you see the pic ,of the turkey with a feather crest...

I'm sure you have help alot on genetics.

Myself and sure lot of other, will not read thru those very long post ,no matter the subject. Call me lazy, but I do skip over those super long post

 

[AquaEyes]

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I did see that post, and I remember reading the response that it does pop up from time to time. It's probably inherited the same way, as a single dominant gene that's lethal when the bird has two copies. Crested budgies, canaries and zebra and society finches follow the same pattern (but I think that there are several forms of crests, due to independent mutations...i.e. circular, semicircular, etc.).

Regarding the long posts -- yeah, I realize they get skimmed or skipped over by many, but some do read them. Though mine aren't as well-planned and detailed as his, the posts by Resolution are probably treated similarly. We're all different here, and everyone has something to offer, because even if it isn't appreciated by all, it is appreciated by some.

 

[deerman]

Lot of different crest in pigeon to , also genetic i hatch a racer that was a red check on one side blue check on other side. Sure you know how rare that was...in budgie they call them halfside.