What's up with diaper-wearing indoor ducks

[Loopeend]

If some have it worse then others; doesn't mean it's okay.

The main thing I hear here is; "yeah but it's better then being slaughtered!"
Yeah, me being homeless in this country is also better then being homeless in some other coutry's; does that make being homeless okay?

It's just not an excuse.

There is no study on bird-behaviour that proves that birds are more happy in your house then not. Feel free to provide me one.
Please place the interest in animals first; nót yours.

If you kill ducks; you can give them a better life and quicker more painless dead.
You can improve by respectfully just not throwing the left-overs out or letting them get over the due date and just eat the whole duck.
If you don't like killing ducks; you can just not do it and not eat them.
If you are on the killing/eating side you cán improve by thinking OF the duck.

Forcing your human life on them; that's not thinking of the duck.
The duck is not human.

Male parrots are known to attack their female owners boyfriends; is this love? Or is this a male parrot trying to form a mating bond when no female parrot is available? If one is; it will chose it above you. Since parrot can not parrot with human.

Dogs, cats, horses, they have evolved for a gazillion years to live with us. A lot of dog species can't even actually live and survive without us. Why do we need to do that to ducks?
Why do you want that for ducks?
You don't; you are thinking about yourself. You are only thinking about what the duck gives YOU, how much (social media) attention it will get you from humans, ánd projecting human feelings on it to excuse yourself.

Can you remember chimpanzees and monkeys as pets, and how that worked out?

Duck are social animals, group animals with other ducks. Period. Intentionally letting a duck live alone; is abuse. At least get two.
They have hobby's they can't do in your home.

If you care so much for that duck; make it happy. Duck happy. Not human happy.

 

[duluthralphie]

If some have it worse then others; doesn't mean it's okay.

The main thing I hear here is; "yeah but it's better then being slaughtered!"
Yeah, me being homeless in this country is also better then being homeless in some other coutry's; does that make being homeless okay?

It's just not an excuse.

There is no study on bird-behaviour that proves that birds are more happy in your house then not. Feel free to provide me one.
Please place the interest in animals first; nót yours.

If you kill ducks; you can give them a better life and quicker more painless dead.
You can improve by respectfully just not throwing the left-overs out or letting them get over the due date and just eat the whole duck.
If you don't like killing ducks; you can just not do it and not eat them.
If you are on the killing/eating side you cán improve by thinking OF the duck.

Forcing your human life on them; that's not thinking of the duck.
The duck is not human.

Male parrots are known to attack their female owners boyfriends; is this love? Or is this a male parrot trying to form a mating bond when no female parrot is available? If one is; it will chose it above you. Since parrot can not parrot with human.

Dogs, cats, horses, they have evolved for a gazillion years to live with us. A lot of dog species can't even actually live and survive without us. Why do we need to do that to ducks?
Why do you want that for ducks?
You don't; you are thinking about yourself. You are only thinking about what the duck gives YOU, how much (social media) attention it will get you from humans, ánd projecting human feelings on it to excuse yourself.

Can you remember chimpanzees and monkeys as pets, and how that worked out?

Duck are social animals, group animals with other ducks. Period. Intentionally letting a duck live alone; is abuse. At least get two.
They have hobby's they can't do in your home.

If you care so much for that duck; make it happy. Duck happy. Not human happy.

Is there a study showing dux are happier outside in the freezing snow than in a warm house?

Is there any study showing anything about dux happiness?

This is your opinion. That’s all. You are entitled to it, just as others are entitled to theirs.

To be honest the dux does not care one way another as long as his physical needs are met..


I would rather have a family of skunks in my house than a smelly dux. That is my right and opinion.

Your opinion is dux do not belong in the house, GREAT, don’t allow a dux in your house. But for heaven sakes do not tell others what they can have in their house!


The end...my last response on this.

 

[Fishkeeper]

Unless you can spend all your time with the duck, it needs company. They're extremely social. They can, however, be entertained enough in a house to be happy.

OP, if you must introduce legislation about pet ducks instead of going after something else, it shouldn't really be anything other than "must have company and access to water". Not "you can't have a duck inside".

 

[Loopeend]

To be honest the dux does not care one way another as long as his physical needs are met..

That is the debate I'm debating here.

 

[Loopeend]

Unless you can spend all your time with the duck, it needs company. They're extremely social. They can, however, be entertained enough in a house to be happy.

OP, if you must introduce legislation about pet ducks instead of going after something else, it shouldn't really be anything other than "must have company and access to water". Not "you can't have a duck inside".

Maybe it's cultural? We actually have laws already that you can't have fowl inside? On rentals that is. And having an animal inside that is nót on the list what is an animal that is happy inside is a problem (rental or bought property). Guinea pigs and hamsters are also on the list of no-no. Not all animals prospher well in our homes. How much we try, they just don't. Hedgehogs, aligators, capibara, monkeys, savannah cats, etc.
These lists are studied carefully by scientists. Dogs, cats, rats (with two) make it easily. Rabbits when outside, too. But some just don't. How much we want it, and how much love we give. Duck is not on the list yet. Not on the good, or the bad list. Since it is new to keep one as a pet. I don't think it is good to put it on the 'good pet' list. Since it can't duck in a home.
Diapers should be a hint...
And why put it on a leash; why not get two when you have a yard?

 

[Kkrista123]

If some have it worse then others; doesn't mean it's okay.
The main thing I hear here is; "yeah but it's better then being slaughtered!"
Yeah, me being homeless in this country is also better then being homeless in some other coutry's; does that make being homeless okay?
It's just not an excuse.
There is no study on bird-behaviour that proves that birds are more happy in your house then not. Feel free to provide me one.
Please place the interest in animals first; nót yours.
If you care so much for that duck; make it happy. Duck happy. Not human happy.

If you are telling me that I have my duck to be popular on social media, you are on the very wrong side of your own argument. I have 2 followers on youtube and about 5 on byc that keep up with me. If you can see, that makes 7 people. (5 from byc + 2 from youtube = 7 followers). I do not use my duck for social media. I do not even have social media accounts. I do not have snapchat, instagram, twitter or whatever else people use now a days. I have a facebook strictly for messaging family and maybe watching a video once in a while and I have an account here on byc. My facebook doesn't even know my duck exists. So your argument on me using my duck for social media, is in fact a great debate but highly invalid.

DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I NEVER SAID MY DUCKS LIFE IS BETTER THAN BEING SLAUGHTERED. THAT NEEDS TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR. MY DUCKS LIFE IS BEYOND BETTER THAN ANY DUCK. MY PETS ARE MY WORLD AND I WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR THEM. ANYTHING.

You can say whatever you want, but you WILL NOT tell me that I do not properly care for my pets, that is crossing a line that you have never even seen the right side of. I do not judge you for what you do to your ducks, so keep it to your 'debate' and do not be rude. Especially don't run around saying what I do is wrong because I do not do that to you.

BYC is a place of love, friendship and community. It is not a place where we divide. We are one. We are the voices for these animals. We need to work together, not against. Obviously you think I am an awful person because you've made that clear. That is fine with me, I could not care less but you are NOT to tell me I do not care for my pets.

I have never raised anything for breeding, eating or food purposes. I have saved many animals lives and I will continue to do just that.

What do you propose? I stick my duck outside now? That is not the life she knows, that would scare her. I never tell people to live indoors with ducks but there are some situations where this happens. It is my duty to make sure when that does happen, it is done properly. If a duck is inside, it cannot be subject to living in dirty circumstances. My duck pen is ALWAYS clean. My duck always has food and water. My duck DOES NOT like other ducks that much. She likes people. There is nothing wrong with that. Ducks need socialization. I'll make it easy. Duck used to duck = duck needs duck socialization. Duck used to people = duck needs people socialization.

Where is your information proving ducks are happier outside? You say there's nothing proving they're happier inside so how do we know the opposite is true? People SAY they're happier outside because that's where they originate from. We originate from outside too. Simple question, would you be happier homeless or sheltered? The world is about EVOLVING. If we didn't we would still be outside. Animals are commonly looked down upon by people like you because they can't talk. Not being able to talk does not mean they don't feel everything we do. They feel pain, love, grief, and happiness. The truth is they are happiest with the life they know. If the government came and took you, forced you to live a different life and you had no family, no friends, none of your favorite food, no music, you would NOT be happy. That isn't the life you know.

Do not compare my duck to a parrot. She is NOT a parrot. She is a duck. She does not have the needs of a parrot, she has the needs of a duck. Would you like if I compared you to chimpanzee? You are not a chimpanzee, you do not have the needs of a chimpanzee. You are human so you have human needs. My duck does not attack my boyfriend. In fact, my duck has NEVER attacked anyone. Can you say the same about your ducks? If they're attacking they are coming from a place of anger and fear. That is a proven fact. My duck has never made such acts of hatred...

Duck needs are pretty simple just like humans. I'll make it easy again. Humans = air, water, food to stay alive. Humans to stay happy = shelter, health and love. Ducks = air, food and water to stay alive. Ducks to stay happy = shelter, health and love.

You want proof?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...ducklings-are-clever-they-are-cute-180959806/
Ducks only need is technically what they are exposed to. My ducks needs do not match your ducks needs. I am not telling you how to keep your ducks outdoors, so once again keep it to a 'debate' and do not tell me how to keep my duck indoors.

What are you even debating? I am so confused. This post is about diapers so please explain what you are debating...? You just said offensive words about me personally and my life style. Where is the debate? My duck has a kinder soul than you. You'd be blessed to be touched by the life of my duck. BLESSED. To know compassion like that, you'd be in the presence of pure and utter greatness.

The miracle of life is a beautfiul blessing. How we chose to raise our blessings is a personal journey. No one parents other peoples kids. It's a personal choice. Just like how my duck stays inside is my personal choice. You have NO clue how many predators are in my area. I have a creek in my backyard. I head wild ducks and birds being eaten and forced to mate painfully ALL night long. I hear screams of animals being ripped apart by foxes. So you think I should put my duck outside? If anything happened to her I probably would shut down. I wouldn't wake up everyday. I wouldn't be doing my online courses or my work from home anymore. I rpobably wouldn't even get out of bed. If ONE of your ducks died, so what? You obviously wouldn't care. You want to have ALL the ducks in the world. You would replace your duck. My duck cannot be replaced. She might not be a purebred, or the prettiest or even the smartest but she means EVERYTHING to me. I think she's the prettiest, smartest and the best thing that has happened to me in a long time.

I have been holding back on this for a long time because being rude is not my nature. I am a kind, loving person which I projected onto all of my pets. They are kind and loving.

You never took the time to learn my life before judging me and that is wrong because I never judged you and I did take the time to listen to your life.

I was about to ship you a duck medical package along with a book and an incubator right before the first time you went off on my post. You should really learn who people are before you cut your ties with them. I find it so ironic I was about to help you and literally a day later, you were rude on my post. I never called you rude, or admitted to you that what you said was wrong because I know I am not God and that isn't my job.

Now I am though because you're spreading false information about me. If you want to spread ANY information about me, take the time to learn the truth.

I am young and I LOVE animals. I had a good childhood in forms of materials but when it came to family and friends, I did not get blessed. I knew who was there for me and who wasn't though so I am great at standing up for what needs to be fought for. I am in college for ANIMAL SCIENCES AND ANIMAL BEHAVIOR. I am working hard in college for a future with animals, so get used to my name because it will be as far as you someday. I have the world at my disposal right now, I am larger than life. I can be anything I want to because all I've ever wanted was animals. Now that I'm here, no one can ever touch anything in my life again. I am complete. I could be a vet, vet tech, zoo attendant, exotic animal keeper, exotics breeder (which I won't do because I don't believe in breeding... Especially to eat.) I could be a vet assistant, animal behavioralist, animal trainer and so much more. Guess what, I am already a dog groomer and a pet sitter. Once I have this college degree, I will be so much more. Maybe I'll become an animal behavior researcher and trust me, when I make the worlds breakthrough on animal behaviors and what makes them happy, I'll be sure to thank you at the bottom of it because you have more than motivated me to show you the truth.

Would you like to learn more about me? I work from home AND I DO COLLEGE ONLINE. I AM WITH MY DUCK 24/7. WE SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, WE SHOWER TOGETHER, WE EAT TOGETHER, WE WALK TOGETHER AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WE LOVE TOGETHER.

I bet you don't give your ducks literally half the attention I give to my duck. Do you spend 12 full hours a day interacting with your ducks? That's half of what I spend with mine.

You still do not know me well enough to judge my duck or myself. If you'd like to keep learning about me, I will be glad to fill you in. Then and ONLY then you can judge me and you can do it as publicly as you wish. Until then, learn the difference between ignorance and a debate. I am not sure if social cues are different in Chile, but here's an obvious one. DO NOT TELL ME WHAT I DO IS WRONG. DO NOT TELL THE NEXT PERON OR THE LAST PERSON ON BYC WHAT THEY DO IS WRONG. I WILL NOT LET YOU SAY THIS STUFF TO ME OR ESPECIALLY ANYONE ELSE. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS COMMUNITY IS. YOU CAN JOIN THE COMMUNITY OR MAKE YOURSELF AN OUTCAST. CHOSE WISELY BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE CHOICES IN LIFE YOU ONLY GET ONE SHOT AT.

 

[Kkrista123]

Unless you can spend all your time with the duck, it needs company. They're extremely social. They can, however, be entertained enough in a house to be happy.

OP, if you must introduce legislation about pet ducks instead of going after something else, it shouldn't really be anything other than "must have company and access to water". Not "you can't have a duck inside".

I am glad you understand this!!! I spend all day every day with my duck. Working from home and doing college online. My life style will NOT change in my ducks life time. It will take me longer than my ducks life to get through the schooling I need to become a vet. I will never move anywhere that I can't have all my pets with me. I will never do anything to jeopardize my ducks health, physical or mental. I have said time and time again if she ever needs a ducky friend, it will happen. If she ever is happier outside, it will happen.

Example A,

This is my duck outside eating snow which makes her happy. She decided she was done playing outside for the day and ... well that should be quite obvious in that video. I let her stay outside with me everyday for as long as she pleases. She sits when it's too much excersise for her and I carry her home. Look through my youtube, we go to nature trails, lakes and kayaking. She swims in the lakes, I have a creek in my backyard but she only likes that stuff when I am there with her. She lets me know when were done, and I just follow her.

She is on a war path of life and I am just her extra legs. We do as she pleases and nothing could make me happier. She's treated and resolved my anxiety, ptsd and depression. I was in severe car accidents, two within 2 months. After the first one I was too scared to get back in a car. When my family finally got me to just sit in the car and go down the street, I finally became okay. I was in a second car accident that was bad about 2 weeks later. That was devastating to my mental health. I was forced into therapy JUST TO GET BACK INTO A CAR. Now, I drive around everywhere, but I go no where without my duck. My friends know, if my duck can't come, I am not making it. I don't still have anxiety of cars, but that doesn't mean I want to go anywhere without her. I take her to every store I go to and we have certain stores we go to because the owners know her and let her in (except the food store-but I don't grocery shop!)

You'd be completely surprised how happy my duck is compared to any other duck. Makes you wonder, are humans doing something wrong? I am not saying every duck should live inside. I am saying we need to revise this as the human species. We're breeding for eating and using cages. I don't believe in cages, I don't crate my dogs so why would I cage my pets? I have small animals that sleep in their cages but I will never subject my pets to a cruelty of such kinds.

 

[Kkrista123]

Maybe it's cultural? We actually have laws already that you can't have fowl inside? On rentals that is. And having an animal inside that is nót on the list what is an animal that is happy inside is a problem (rental or bought property). Guinea pigs and hamsters are also on the list of no-no. Not all animals prospher well in our homes. How much we try, they just don't. Hedgehogs, aligators, capibara, monkeys, savannah cats, etc.
These lists are studied carefully by scientists. Dogs, cats, rats (with two) make it easily. Rabbits when outside, too. But some just don't. How much we want it, and how much love we give. Duck is not on the list yet. Not on the good, or the bad list. Since it is new to keep one as a pet. I don't think it is good to put it on the 'good pet' list. Since it can't duck in a home.
Diapers should be a hint...
And why put it on a leash; why not get two when you have a yard?

LOL WHEN HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MY DUCK ON A LEASH? OR WEARING A DIAPER? Sorrrrrrrrry, try again champ.

 

[Fishkeeper]

Just because you love your animal doesn't mean you're doing the best thing. Animal hoarders love their animals, after all.

Now, let me be clear: I'm not saying you're mistreating your duck. But I am disputing some of your points.

First off, the idea that your duck's life is better than all other ducks. I'm sure he's happy, yes. But are you sure he couldn't possibly be happier? Maybe if he had other animals to interact with, instead of just you? Maybe if he had constant access to water to play in? Maybe if he had mud to play in? Ducks like mud, and dirt isn't dangerous to them. A duck not used to outdoor pathogens will have a problem with them, but dirt is harmless. I wouldn't go around saying "my way is the absolute best way to keep an animal".

No one is telling you to chuck your domesticated animal outside to fend for himself. However, people do keep ducks outside. They keep them in pens, with appropriate numbers of other ducks, protected from predators. Their ducks have lots of food, clean water, enrichment, and socialization. Those ducks are happy.
This is not a "cage" like you think of it, this is a habitat. A large enough pen with enough enrichment is a good place for ducks to live. Just like how keeping fish in an aquarium isn't cruel simply because it's an enclosed space.

Also, all animals need proper enrichment to be happy. For ducks, that enrichment includes weeds and other plants to scuffle in for food, and water to play in. You didn't include that on your list.

And animals do NOT need love to be happy. Social ones need an appropriate amount of socialization from appropriate species. Solitary ones need to be left alone. Plenty of people keep ducks, and have amazingly happy, healthy ducks, without loving them.

Unless I've vastly missed something, no one is calling you an awful person. Some people are questioning whether this is an ideal way to keep a pet. That's a very different thing.

If you're against breeding animals for eating, are you vegan? I hope you aren't feeding your duck a vegan diet, they need protein.

If you're against breeding animals, period, where do you think your duck came from? What about animals being bred so people can have pets? What about service animals, where are we meant to get those? What about endangered animal breeding programs in zoos?

And a final thing. Something being your animal does not mean you are entirely free to choose how to keep it, just like you can't choose entirely how to raise your kid. You have to abide by certain laws, such as providing appropriate food and shelter. "It's my animal, I can treat it how I want" is a dangerous sentiment to make normal. And if someone is treating an animal in a way that is bad for that animal, it is ENTIRELY appropriate for others to tell that person. I don't know if you live somewhere where people don't do that. You'll see a lot of posts on here where someone posts about a problem, and someone else tells them, among the answers, "by the way, you should probably fix [unrelated thing]". It doesn't matter if it's your animal- if you don't treat it right, other people are free to tell you that you aren't treating it right.

 

[SuperDuck]

My indoor/outdoor, non diaper wearing, sleeps on a dog bed, eats with the family, RV camping, Petco visiting, Duckaccino drinking, mud playing, pool swimming, boys seem to be happier than most humans I know.

But then again, Buck humped a vacuum once.... maybe he's neurologically deficient? Kind of like some of these comments.