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The Amera auction of Pat's you linked are not the same flock that these birds came from SteveH.
Back on Page 31, I posted Pat's reply:
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I'm working on getting pictures of the feathers at a microscopic level (Julie's silkied ameras & some normal silikies for comparison), since as viewed by the naked eye they are EXTREMELY dissimilar. Julie's seem to have sections of barbs that 'velcro' together, while a true Silkie's feathers are completely 'down' like, with no connecting barbs. I posted casual findings here.
If anyone has any questions for Pat, please let me know and I will send her another email. This is so much fun!!
So yes, I mis-quoted myself in saying that Pat didn't have Silkies - she did, but claims they were 5 acres apart from the Blue/Black/Splash pen - which was never crossed with any other Ameraucana or EE pen in all her years of breeding them.
I guess Pat may have had seperate , covered breeding pens in 2005 when she sold the blue/splash to the lady who in turn sold Julie her birds . However in 2008 when challenged as to the purity of her Ameraucanas she had this reply :
" Hi Kim,To tell you the truth,My last purchase of new stock was eggs from a show breeder in Washington state about 5 years ago and I don't remember her name,Mine are bearded and muffed some better than others ,all have tails.Dennis Got the dates wrong We purchased birds from Murray in 1996 (Dennis Loses Track of Time
)Since that time I have worked hard and long to refine it to what I have now,I was going for specific egg colors and fertility and have for the most part achieved these goals,These are the Ameracaunas Yes My original started with Murray Hatchery And Eliminated Birds that were not laying the green eggs or not bearded and muffed ect...I have concentrated more recently on the colors of the birds and I am getting lots of shades of Blues silvers and Lilac colored babies as well as the other colors,My colors are not seperated They have an entire yard that they share only with the cayuga ducks.Thank You for your interest I hope This helps,I'm not sure what else I can add that would help,Thanks Pat "
and what she had in 2008 was :
" This auction is for 6 + extras as available from my beautiful Flock of Ameracaunas.THESE ALL LAY EGGS IN SHADES OF GREEN ONLY,MOSTLY a DARK OLIVE GREEN,With A few lighter Greens here and there.This Flock Has Been 12 years in the making and refined for a beautiful egg and great fertility.
The Roosters are 1 Blue Splash,1 RED(Partridge) and 1 Beautiful Multi colored roo,The hens are Golden,White,Blue,Blue Splash,Partridge,Wheaten,and Lilac.These eggs throw lots of Blue Chicks in several Shades "
Perhaps she kept covered breeding pens from which she sold the pure Ameraucans in 2005 , and returned to improoving and selling the McMurray based " pure Ameraucanas " in the uncovered pens and yards pictured in 2008 . I have to admit I'm skeptical , I guess its my nature to be that way .
ETA : I'm also skeptical of all the Marans X Amerucana crosses being sold as meat birds , while at the same time her pure Ameraucanas were " refined " into the " MOSTLY a DARK OLIVE GREEN " egg producing flock the breeder ended up with by 2008 . Am I wrong in taking some of this former breeder's claims with a small grain of salt ?
The Amera auction of Pat's you linked are not the same flock that these birds came from SteveH.
Back on Page 31, I posted Pat's reply:
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I'm working on getting pictures of the feathers at a microscopic level (Julie's silkied ameras & some normal silikies for comparison), since as viewed by the naked eye they are EXTREMELY dissimilar. Julie's seem to have sections of barbs that 'velcro' together, while a true Silkie's feathers are completely 'down' like, with no connecting barbs. I posted casual findings here.
If anyone has any questions for Pat, please let me know and I will send her another email. This is so much fun!!
So yes, I mis-quoted myself in saying that Pat didn't have Silkies - she did, but claims they were 5 acres apart from the Blue/Black/Splash pen - which was never crossed with any other Ameraucana or EE pen in all her years of breeding them.
I guess Pat may have had seperate , covered breeding pens in 2005 when she sold the blue/splash to the lady who in turn sold Julie her birds . However in 2008 when challenged as to the purity of her Ameraucanas she had this reply :
" Hi Kim,To tell you the truth,My last purchase of new stock was eggs from a show breeder in Washington state about 5 years ago and I don't remember her name,Mine are bearded and muffed some better than others ,all have tails.Dennis Got the dates wrong We purchased birds from Murray in 1996 (Dennis Loses Track of Time
)Since that time I have worked hard and long to refine it to what I have now,I was going for specific egg colors and fertility and have for the most part achieved these goals,These are the Ameracaunas Yes My original started with Murray Hatchery And Eliminated Birds that were not laying the green eggs or not bearded and muffed ect...I have concentrated more recently on the colors of the birds and I am getting lots of shades of Blues silvers and Lilac colored babies as well as the other colors,My colors are not seperated They have an entire yard that they share only with the cayuga ducks.Thank You for your interest I hope This helps,I'm not sure what else I can add that would help,Thanks Pat " and what she had in 2008 was :
" This auction is for 6 + extras as available from my beautiful Flock of Ameracaunas.THESE ALL LAY EGGS IN SHADES OF GREEN ONLY,MOSTLY a DARK OLIVE GREEN,With A few lighter Greens here and there.This Flock Has Been 12 years in the making and refined for a beautiful egg and great fertility.
The Roosters are 1 Blue Splash,1 RED(Partridge) and 1 Beautiful Multi colored roo,The hens are Golden,White,Blue,Blue Splash,Partridge,Wheaten,and Lilac.These eggs throw lots of Blue Chicks in several Shades "
Perhaps she kept covered breeding pens from which she sold the pure Ameraucans in 2005 , and returned to improoving and selling the McMurray based " pure Ameraucanas " in the uncovered pens and yards pictured in 2008 . I have to admit I'm skeptical , I guess its my nature to be that way .
ETA : I'm also skeptical of all the Marans X Amerucana crosses being sold as meat birds , while at the same time her pure Ameraucanas were " refined " into the " MOSTLY a DARK OLIVE GREEN " egg producing flock the breeder ended up with by 2008 . Am I wrong in taking some of this former breeder's claims with a small grain of salt ?
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