Wheaten and black copper Marans cross

[berkeleysprings]

people are trying to get black coppers to stop throwing wheatens ....
is that not true ?
at some point your coppers will be hatching out more wheatens than coppers , than what do u call em ?
"ebay eggs "

 

[greathorse]

I promise you it is not wise to keep this alive. I got my "real" question answered have no interest at all in whether or not the coppers I "wont breed" throw blue purple or orange

If you had a notion I would pay attention

You dont, I wont

 

[berkeleysprings]

lol,,,,, yes just what i thought ,,,, just enjoy your wonderful birds

 

[onthespot]

some people are trying to get them to stop, some people are not. It is up to the individual breeder to decide their breeding goals. greathorses has enough of a grasp of genetics to know what she is producing and I'm sure she will disclose to her son what she is giving him. he can't have roos. It is an "end of the line" cross as far as that goes. the roos will likely be processed, the hens will never lay a fertile egg. I am not trying to be dense here, just wondering why all the hoopty doo over the cross. greathorses is interested in pure wheaten for her breeding program, which are a dead giveaway at hatch. there will be no contamination of her wheaten breeding pool just from sharing the pen with CBM hens. It is a non-issue as far as i can see. What is so upsetting to the rest of you about this?

 

[millebantam]

Patty, I'm not sure if you are including me in the "rest of you" group, so I'll respond to your question just in case you were. I am not "upset" about what anyone else is doing with their flock. I am only concerned about what I'm doing with my flock. It is my goal to produce exhibition quality BCM's that conform to the APA standard. I fully understand that it will be a long journey, but it is my opinion that the journey will be a shorter distance with birds that have no Wheaton in them. We both have been around long enough to know that there are significant, widespread, problems in the very limited US BCM gene pool. The failed APA acceptance showing this year was proof positive of that.

You mention that there are both breeders who want the wheatons out of their BCM's, and there are breeders who don't. I fully agree and will take it one step further. From my observations, from where I sit, there are indeed two separate mindsets when it comes to breeding these BCM's. There are breeders who are very selective of their breeding stock and try to keep them pure, and improve on what they have. Great care is taken to keep good records of specific breeding with different roos, etc. Some are paying more attention to egg color over type, and vise versa, but in the end, these breeders are very selective in the stock that they are breeding.

Then there is the other "camp". These are breeders who are also using decent breeding stock, but are mixing lines and varieties, and basically "slinging stuff against the wall to see what sticks". I'm sure that a few quality birds can pop up from these crosses, but it's my opinion that the chance of more "hard to trace" faults are there too. Breeders from both camps are selling birds and hatching eggs, and it's not always easy to know which is which. That's why there are umpteen threads on here by new BCM people wondering why the BCM"ebay" eggs that they hatched are throwing wheatons, or have white feathering, fused toes, unreconizeable coloring, etc. You get the drift.

I am not categorizing Greathorse into either of these camps, because the poster has disclosed her goals and intentions, and I'm not upset by any of it. I think it's great that she has a clear idea of where she is going with this and it will be a pretty cool, educational ride along the way. I don't condone any of the other comments in this thread that could, and should have been expressed differently by other posters. If I'm "upset" about anything, it's the fact that my road to developing quality BCM's could have been easier had a few breeders early on been a little more responsable in their breeding practices.

 

[greathorse]

now that this thread has turned more or less cerebral again I will weigh in. I spent a ton of money on some pretty good stock. I have no interest in messing up the lines and I will likely never sell an egg or a bird. I like finding and breeding quality. This is exactly why I needed to know how sure I could be about the Wheaten as they came out of the hatcher. I will either cull the dark birds as they come out or give them to my son for his backyard. In his town they can have up to six I belive.

I took some exception to the judgemental opinion about my plan and thank those that answered the question. MIllie bantam I appreciated your view on the first response and on this one.

Beleive me when I first started looking for these birds there was junk at every turn. It didnt take much of a conversation to figure out who has the junkers and who was at least trying.




Thanks again

Edited to say: She/me 250 bald male LOL I dont make a very pretty she but happy that I must have a feminine side