Wheaten and Blue wheaten Marans Discussion Thread

[WoofMeowCluck]

I think 4 eggs per week, per hen would be great!

My two were giving me, total, 3 eggs per month. That is one and a 1/2 eggs a month each. LOL



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[star2525]

I wouldn't be able to sell hatching eggs to others knowing I hadn't did my best to eliminate it from my birds, Bantam Marans have alot smaller gene pool than Large Fowl Birds, so alot easier for it to crop up over and over again if not eliminated, you can have it cleaned out of your flock completely by test mating and have totally clean birds.

If you're going to use your 2nd generation Davis roo that is a carrier with any hen you still have the same issue only in a second and following generations, if that's the case why bother test mating at all, save yourself the bother and just cull the yellow legged birds out when you produce them, it still won't remedy the situation because the ones whose legs are white will still be carriers, so its a vicous circle with alot more birds created that will also be carrying the recessive for the yellow legs, so I take it you aren't selling hatching eggs from these birds?

Breeding birds is about making improvements, I think you need to rethink what you're doing with your birds.

Sorry if I haven't told you what you want to hear, I am honest.

I have no clue where Village chicken got their information on test mating, I got my instructions on test mating for this issue from David Hancox, and I value his credible advice.

Victoria

 

[knjinnm]

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Somewhere you missed something. As I understand Randy's posts he plans to use a yellow legged .... borrowed rooster .... to test his hens, not his split rooster. And based on earlier posts Randy has more records than most of us realized.

Randy, correct me if I'm wrong,

Joe

 

[VillageChicken]

my sister recommended that I use my e-bay hen and the eBay hens daughter of 100 percent certainty and breed the two with my loaner ,visible yellow leg rooster and all the chicks hatched should have yellow from that mating and come to the same logical conclusion faster , and simultaneously mating the Davis roo and 2 buddy hens and and build back up again

Randy, - your sister is on track. Great way to start. But you won't get all yellow shanked chicks - and you won't know if your ebay Davis daughter is clean or not if you hatch together.

White is dominant. Both your ebay Davis hen and her daughter have white that dominates over the hidden yellow (maybe both or just one of them) They carry genes in pairs. They have to have two yellow genes to have yellow shanks.

So you will only get 50% of the chicks that end up with a yellow gene from Splash dad and the hidden yellow from mom. The other 50% will get the white gene from mom and will have white shanks.

If you know the difference between mom and daughter's eggs, separate them on hatch day. I use little plastic baskets that are high enough for them not to jump out. - kind of like big strawberry baskets. I think you have a hovabator? That's what I use. I can usually get two bigger baskets in there and have hatched that way with no problems. Maybe ebay hen's daughter is clean - she had a 50% chance of getting mom's white leg gene too, and not the yellow one. If you can prove her to be clean, then she's a great addition to your small gene pool.

Then maybe it's just your ebay hen that you need to cull. Seems like your ebay hen has some great genes except for the yellow shank - you culled down to a hen and a roo from her after all the hatching you did the past 2 years. If you can preserve those genes without the yellow that would be great! Then all your work would be worth it.

Did you ever notify your ebay seller who you got the "davis" hen from?


Folks who want to comment on your situation need to go back and read all the posts and history. Otherwise they just confuse things.​

 

[berkeleysprings]

i wont use that roo second gen again lol i do not want any more of that yellow leg gene and he is tricky and is hiding it well ,
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Somewhere you missed something. As I understand Randy's posts he plans to use a yellow legged .... borrowed rooster .... to test his hens, not his split rooster. And based on earlier posts Randy has more records than most of us realized.

Randy, correct me if I'm wrong,

Joe

 

[berkeleysprings]

thanks , im gunna read this a few times when i get home from work lol so it sinks in thanks
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Randy, - your sister is on track. Great way to start. But you won't get all yellow shanked chicks - and you won't know if your ebay Davis daughter is clean or not if you hatch together.

White is dominant. Both your ebay Davis hen and her daughter have white that dominates over the hidden yellow (maybe both or just one of them) They carry genes in pairs. They have to have two yellow genes to have yellow shanks.

So you will only get 50% of the chicks that end up with a yellow gene from Splash dad and the hidden yellow from mom. The other 50% will get the white gene from mom and will have white shanks.

If you know the difference between mom and daughter's eggs, separate them on hatch day. I use little plastic baskets that are high enough for them not to jump out. - kind of like big strawberry baskets. I think you have a hovabator? That's what I use. I can usually get two bigger baskets in there and have hatched that way with no problems. Maybe ebay hen's daughter is clean - she had a 50% chance of getting mom's white leg gene too, and not the yellow one. If you can prove her to be clean, then she's a great addition to your small gene pool.

Then maybe it's just your ebay hen that you need to cull. Seems like your ebay hen has some great genes except for the yellow shank - you culled down to a hen and a roo from her after all the hatching you did the past 2 years. If you can preserve those genes without the yellow that would be great! Then all your work would be worth it.

Did you ever notify your ebay seller who you got the "davis" hen from?


Folks who want to comment on your situation need to go back and read all the posts and history. Otherwise they just confuse things.

 

[VillageChicken]

Think of the genes as fashion rules for chickens. All chickens have a pair of genes for skin color. Think of two genes as pants and socks.
Here are the fashion rules:
You can wear white pants with white socks. (Your clean original Davis roo, and Buddy Henry hens)
You can wear white pants with yellow socks. (Your 2nd gen Davis roo who carries yellow but has white legs)
You can only wear yellow pants with yellow socks. (Your splash wyandotte loaner) He shows yellow because he has yellow pants AND yellow socks.

Pants cover socks. If you have white pants with yellow socks, you don't see the socks. The hens you are trying to find have white pants and yellow socks.

When you mate them to your Splash loaner, your hens can contribute only one gene to their offspring. Randomly, some of their offspring will get their white pants, but some will get their yellow socks. It will split up fairly evenly 50/50. Dad has yellow pants and yellow socks. Since dad is all yellow, they will automatically get yellow socks from Dad.

So your chicks will be:
white pants from mom, yellow socks from Dad - white shanked yellow carriers like the ones you're trying to weed out.
yellow socks from mom, yellow socks from Dad - yellow shanked

If you get even one chick from either hen that has yellow shanks, then you know that mom has hidden yellow. But you have to split up their eggs and mark the chicks at hatch to know which ones develop the yellow legs. Don't assume that just because your ebay Davis hen carries, that her daughter carries too. Her daughter has a 50% chance of being clean.

If the ebay hen's daughter is clean, then she has white pants AND white socks, and her offspring in the mating with loaner roo will make chicks with white pants over yellow socks and you won't see ANY yellow. This would be great news.

Sorry if the sock/pants thing is a bit silly, but it might help make things more concrete.

 

[Debbi]

VC ~ I love the way you explain things! Now I'll have that visual in my head all day long though!

It reminded me of my Dad in some of his golf outfits, thanks for the memories of that!

 

[berkeleysprings]

thanks for taking it slow for me VC , my computer is down till the weekend , thank you so much and everyone 4 the help take care all

 

[berkeleysprings]

That was absolutely so perfectly worded for me to fallow I had a chance to read it offline and its worded wonderfully , ii guess you can tell I’m using spell checker
And I wish so bad you could do that with the west coast swing
I had to get back on line and thank you again , and again
your the best

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