When do eggs internally pip?

oh no... Well they arent moving, and in the top picture i could see some, but its not as visible as in the photo as it was with a human eye

That is good the top one still has some clear blood vessels. If they look nice and defined still and not fuzzy it's likely still alive. It does look quite behind though. It should take up more of the egg at this point even if it was a day or two late.

I'm afraid it's not sounding good for the rest. It doesn't hurt to give them more time but don't be surprised if they don't hatch. :(
 
That is good the top one still has some clear blood vessels. If they look nice and defined still and not fuzzy it's likely still alive. It does look quite behind though. It should take up more of the egg at this point even if it was a day or two late.

I'm afraid it's not sounding good for the rest. It doesn't hurt to give them more time but don't be surprised if they don't hatch. :(
darn..
 
honestly tho.. they haven't moved and its been 22 days and they still haven't pipped, and the way they look right now it doesnt look like they will

I'm afraid you are probably right. The one with the blood vessels still has a chance but being so behind it isn't a great one.

I hope if you choose to try again you are able to pin down the issue and have much better results. If that one with the blood vessels is still alive at day 22 and looking like that I'd still suspect the temperature may have been the problem. Humidity and poor ventilation can also cause problems at lockdown. Humidity is the most common problem I see in terms of late term death, some of those air cells look a bit small but not terrible.
 
I'm afraid you are probably right. The one with the blood vessels still has a chance but being so behind it isn't a great one.

I hope if you choose to try again you are able to pin down the issue and have much better results. If that one with the blood vessels is still alive at day 22 and looking like that I'd still suspect the temperature may have been the problem. Humidity and poor ventilation can also cause problems at lockdown. Humidity is the most common problem I see in terms of late term death, some of those air cells look a bit small but not terrible.
after this, i probably wont do eggs for a while. If i want chickens i'll just buy chicks, i had the brooder ready, i had the food and everything..
 
after this, i probably wont do eggs for a while. If i want chickens i'll just buy chicks, i had the brooder ready, i had the food and everything..

I understand, it's hard losing them, especially when they make it so far. :( :hugs

Buying chicks is certainly more of a sure thing.

Having a good quality incubator and checking air cell size at days 7 and 14 and adjusting humidity based off that can make a world of difference. I very often get 100% hatches with my nurture right 360s (if you do try again at some point I highly recommend that incubator). I hope eventually you will have the joys of a successful hatch, it really is amazing when it works out.
 
I understand, it's hard losing them, especially when they make it so far. :( :hugs

Buying chicks is certainly more of a sure thing.

Having a good quality incubator and checking air cell size at days 7 and 14 and adjusting humidity based off that can make a world of difference. I very often get 100% hatches with my nurture right 360s (if you do try again at some point I highly recommend that incubator). I hope eventually you will have the joys of a successful hatch, it really is amazing when it works out.
Thank you so much for helping me, i wouldnt have known otherwise.
 
You're very welcome, I'm so sorry it didn't work out better this time. :hugs
well, i did an eggstopsy on two eggs, one stopped developing a while ago, it was obvious. And the other egg had a fully developed chick that was taking in the rest of the yolk sack. Im not sure what happened, but we are going to try again after i clean the bator and make sure the thermometer is correct...
 

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