When do eggs internally pip?

[LynnaePB]

So, could i open the incubator and check for internal pips?

Yeah it shouldn't hurt especially seeing as you don't have any external pips yet. Just make sure to put the eggs back in the same position they were in before the candling so the chick doesn't have to reorient itself for hatching.

 

[Crunchycrouton]

Yeah it shouldn't hurt especially seeing as you don't have any external pips yet. Just make sure to put the eggs back in the same position they were in before the candling so the chick doesn't have to reorient itself for hatching.

I candled them, i saw no internal pip. I did see small veins in the only part that was visible, so they are alive. Their air cells are slightly dipped down to one side. Although none of them were moving...

 

[LynnaePB]

I candled them, i saw no internal pip. I did see small veins in the only part that was visible, so they are alive. Their air cells are slightly dipped down to one side. Although none of them were moving...

Sounds good although if it is day 20 and they are still at that stage expect that they may be a day or two late.

When did you set the eggs? I know a lot of people accidentally count day 0 as day 1 so they might still be on day 19 and the stage they are in right now would be fairly normal.

They sound like they are in the "draw down" stage to me. It is very normal not to see movement at this stage, the blood vessels being there is a good sign. The next stage will likely be "shadowing" the air cell will grow even more and look more uneven. At this stage it is much more common to see movement towards the bottom of the air cell though you won't always. After shadowing they'll work on internally pipping. If you candle you'll see the beak break into the air cell at this point and you can usually see movement as they begin to breath more. Once internally pipped it shouldn't be more than 24 hours to external pip. And then after external pip it may take up to 24 hours before they start to zip. Zipping shouldn't take too long, usually it is completed within 2 hours (my babies usually finish within a half an hour once they've started zipping).

If any are malpositioned towards the narrow end of the egg the internal pip and external pip will be one and the same and it may take up to 48 hours after external pip to hatch.

Good luck, hopefully by tomorrow or the next day you'll start seeing some more action.

 

[Crunchycrouton]

Sounds good although if it is day 20 and they are still at that stage expect that they may be a day or two late.

When did you set the eggs? I know a lot of people accidentally count day 0 as day 1 so they might still be on day 19 and the stage they are in right now would be fairly normal.

They sound like they are in the "draw down" stage to me. It is very normal not to see movement at this stage, the blood vessels being there is a good sign. The next stage will likely be "shadowing" the air cell will grow even more and look more uneven. At this stage it is much more common to see movement towards the bottom of the air cell though you won't always. After shadowing they'll work on internally pipping. If you candle you'll see the beak break into the air cell at this point and you can usually see movement as they begin to breath more. Once internally pipped it shouldn't be more than 24 hours to external pip. And then after external pip it may take up to 24 hours before they start to zip. Zipping shouldn't take too long, usually it is completed within 2 hours (my babies usually finish within a half an hour once they've started zipping).

If any are malpositioned towards the narrow end of the egg the internal pip and external pip will be one and the same and it may take up to 48 hours after external pip to hatch.

Good luck, hopefully by tomorrow or the next day you'll start seeing some more action.

Thank you, i put them into the incubator on August 6th, so i guess they could actually be on day 19.. this is my first time hatching eggs, so i was just making sure everything was normal. Since the air cells already look like they are going to the side a bit, i'll just leave them alone and keep the incubator closed unless i absolutely need to open it, i dont want to risk anything.

 

[LynnaePB]

Thank you, i put them into the incubator on August 6th, so i guess they could actually be on day 19.. this is my first time hatching eggs, so i was just making sure everything was normal. Since the air cells already look like they are going to the side a bit, i'll just leave them alone and keep the incubator closed unless i absolutely need to open it, i dont want to risk anything.

Hmmm yeah you did get the day right, if you set them on the 6th they should be on day 20 today. They sound like they are doing good though, perhaps the temperature was just a tad low and they may hatch just a little late. Sounds like everything is on track other than them being just a small bit behind.

Good luck it sounds like you are taking a good approach and since you candled at least you have a better idea of the time frame you may be looking at. I know how hard it is waiting right at the end. I hope you'll see signs of external pipping in the next few days. Hatching time is really exciting but it can be nerve wracking as well!

 

[Crunchycrouton]

Hmmm yeah you did get the day right, if you set them on the 6th they should be on day 20 today. They sound like they are doing good though, perhaps the temperature was just a tad low and they may hatch just a little late. Sounds like everything is on track other than them being just a small bit behind.

Good luck it sounds like you are taking a good approach and since you candled at least you have a better idea of the time frame you may be looking at. I know how hard it is waiting right at the end. I hope you'll see signs of external pipping in the next few days. Hatching time is really exciting but it can be nerve wracking as well!

Yeah, the temp has been and steady 100-101, a while back it spiked to 104 but all the eggs were fine as i solved the problem in less than a couple minutes, the eggs are very tiny tho, golf ball size.

 

[LynnaePB]

Yeah, the temp has been and steady 100-101, a while back it spiked to 104 but all the eggs were fine as i solved the problem in less than a couple minutes, the eggs are very tiny tho, golf ball size.

Is the thermometer calibrated? Still air or forced?

 

[Crunchycrouton]

Is the thermometer calibrated? Still air or forced?

Its forced air, and i don't know if its calibrated..

 

[LynnaePB]

Its forced air, and i don't know if its calibrated..

At 100-101 in a forced air you'd be likely to get chicks perhaps a little early so I'm guessing the thermometer in your incubator may be a little off. I've had even very well known expensive brands read wrong, unfortunately it is very common in a lot of incubators.

You'll be able to get a better idea of how off it was when they do hatch. They may still hatch day 21. Based on what you found on candling I'd be a bit surprised if they hatch right on day 21 though.

Temperatures a little low luckily are a lot safer than temperatures a little high. It's very likely your little guys will still hatch just fine without problems despite being a little late.

If you plan on incubating again and these little guys do end up hatching a bit late I'd definitely suggest getting another thermometer and calibrating it so you can check exactly what the temperature in your incubator is.

I incubate at 100 often and my little silkie bantams usually hatch day 20 with an occasional one hatching day 19 or 21.

 

[Crunchycrouton]

ok

At 100-101 in a forced air you'd be likely to get chicks perhaps a little early so I'm guessing the thermometer in your incubator may be a little off. I've had even very well known expensive brands read wrong, unfortunately it is very common in a lot of incubators.

You'll be able to get a better idea of how off it was when they do hatch. They may still hatch day 21. Based on what you found on candling I'd be a bit surprised if they hatch right on day 21 though.

Temperatures a little low luckily are a lot safer than temperatures a little high. It's very likely your little guys will still hatch just fine without problems despite being a little late.

If you plan on incubating again and these little guys do end up hatching a bit late I'd definitely suggest getting another thermometer and calibrating it so you can check exactly what the temperature in your incubator is.

I incubate at 100 often and my little silkie bantams usually hatch day 20 with an occasional one hatching day 19 or 21.

ok, my eggs are silkie, frizzle and americauno mixes if i spelt that right. Im young, in my teens and i couldnt afford my own incubator, i borrowed from my dads friend. I guess i probably should have checked the thermometer before tho. lol