when does the breed become YOUR line?

[dinahmoe]

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i am not trying to take credit for the original breeders hard work.in fact,i still use it.what i was trying to find out about is how long do i mention the breeders when i sell or breed my birds.
i am thinking that when i am showing ,i will acknowlage the breeders,to give them credit as well,but when i sell local eggs or birds,then i will share the breeders if the buyer ask.
does that seem ok to everyone?

Poultry Etiquette -who knew....

 

[dinahmoe]

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i agree.(lower angle)

and when we do this kind of breeding and IF we screw it up,i don't think the breeders will want the credit then.i wouldn't want to give them a bad name,ya know.

not saying anyhting about your breeding plans-i to have Halos' birds i am playing with.lol

 

[MobyQuail]

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i agree.(lower angle)

and when we do this kind of breeding and IF we screw it up,i don't think the breeders will want the credit then.i wouldn't want to give them a bad name,ya know.

not saying anyhting about your breeding plans-i to have Halos' birds i am playing with.lol

yes, thank you, not planning on being a breeder at all, other people do that far better- for far longer. just trying to upgrade our current layer flock with higher quality "mongrel" birds and they were the best we had on the 3 acres.
did I mention low angle

I was about to use the term "HUBRIS" myself- great word here.

In my simple, humble mind- when "other" people start calling them "your" line, and people ask for them by "your" name, then I think they are "your" line.

imho, i.e., Halo's Blue Rocks, Gardner's Wheaten Ameraucanas...

 

[buffalogal]

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That's my understanding as well. If I buy birds from a single source, and never add anything else, I can only honestly say these are MY breeding based on the X line. They are not X's strain, they are based on his line. If Xs birds are known for their correct color, and I also select for correct comb, then eventually I have my own strain of X's line. If I mix in birds from another source, I could eventually, if I'm selective, create my own "line", as long as I reach a point where I no longer add new birds, and line breed from what I have. But the line goes back farther than a strain.

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That's exactly what I do, although when someone says they don't yet have a "strain" (like yourself), then I say I obtained this beautiful hen from Pathfinders. If I'm talking about birds of unknown heritage, like my Anconas, I say "I started with my first Anconas from Murray McMurray over twenty years ago, and early on I added a couple of birds that came from an auction." I don't know what McM Anconas look like these days, but I'm pretty sure they don't look quite like mine. After all those years, for better or worse, they are my "line". (!)

A couple of years ago, I had the opportunity to add rose comb genetics, and obtained some birds from Fred Zillich, so now I say "The single comb Anconas are my line, the rose comb are from Fred Zillich, and I'm about to (hopefully) add a second line of rose comb from Urch. Because i do plan to 'mix 'em all up", in ten years, I'll be able to say "The Anconas (all of them) are my line.


(!) Edited to add: After all those years, for better or worse, they are my "strain", not "line". Geeze, I can't believe I messed that up.

 

[PepsNick]

Pathfinders, excellent information! This certainly is a very interesting thread.

 

[Pathfinders]

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i am not trying to take credit for the original breeders hard work.in fact,i still use it.what i was trying to find out about is how long do i mention the breeders when i sell or breed my birds.
i am thinking that when i am showing ,i will acknowlage the breeders,to give them credit as well,but when i sell local eggs or birds,then i will share the breeders if the buyer ask.
does that seem ok to everyone?

Poultry Etiquette -who knew....

I got my first Buckeyes from Matt John five years ago (Brown strain) and still tell people that five years later. But that's just me, YMMV.

 

[dinahmoe]

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what if i say"my original stock"came from "joe smith" with some new blood added.i just want to be honest with the seller.if they wanted just the original stock bred birds then i would be happy to give them the info to where they can get those birds.

 

[dinahmoe]

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i like that.

 

[big medicine]

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I agree with you. Someone referred to it as riding the coat tails of the original breeder, I tend to think of it as more of a homage to the breeders who put alot of work into these birds before us.

Now there are exceptions. When someone does a poor job of culling, and selecting breeders, producing very poor examples, and then boasts or advertises them as being such and suchs birds. Any fool can undo a lifetime of hard work in considerably less time.

 

[big medicine]

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i like that.

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