When is an EE no longer an EE?

[ILOVEFRIZZLES]

I would never call that an EE either and wouldmake me mad if I bought egg that were EE's and that is what hatched but that just me. Maybe you could call her an way not call her and Ameraucana/barred rock mix that is want she is.

 

[speckledhen]

See pic above of Panda's sister. Beard. Muffs. White Skin. Deep Green Eggs. Easter Egger, but with white skin color for an Ameraucana. I call her a Barred EE. If you want to use more words to define her, fine. No one is pulling anything over on anyone. Everyone is told what made her up. We just aren't told all the mixes that make up EEs sold by hatcheries.

Why argue about this subject? The APA defines Ameraucana. That is the yardstick they are measured by. What doesn't fit is an EE. Why be emotional stuff over it?

 

[pips&peeps]

An EE is a bird that carries the blue egg gene, but does not conform to either the ameraucana or araucana standards. It can be any number of crosses of birds.

Once a bird does not carry or present a blue or green egg, then I believe it would be considered just a mixed breed bird.

 

[roosty]

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Im not arguing...just stating the facts.

A br/amer mix is not what doesnt fit! An ameraucana and an ameraucana bred together and having a wrong color would be not fitting....

 

[ILOVEFRIZZLES]

Because an Ameracuana that is not the standard color is not an EE and i am tried of people calling my bird EE that are Ameracuana that are not show color. Just like my Cochin is not the standard color but is still an cochin. I could show my bird they would not win because of color but i still could enter them as Ameraucanas because that is what they are. By your EE standards. that is my opinion.

 

[roosty]

pips&peeps :

An EE is a bird that carries the blue egg gene, but does not conform to either the ameraucana or araucana standards. It can be any number of crosses of birds.

Once a bird does not carry or present a blue or green egg, then I believe it would be considered just a mixed breed bird.

Where do you get your information? In bold??
And you believe...your opinion also....we all have them....we should be allowed to state them....my opinion is that br/ amer is a mutt not an EE.

 

[TimG]

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Well, isn't that the point of this discussion: what do we want to call it?

The APA does not recognize Easter Egger as a breed. And, I don't think any similar organizations in other countries do either.

Nor do I think Easter Egger as is commonly used would meet the definition of a breed (which requires breeding true).

You seem to want to define Easter Egger as a chicken that is either a Ameraucana or an Araucana. That is a possibility for sure, but I do not think it is consistent with the common usage of "Easter Egger".

I think common usage is: Easter Egger = colored egg laying mutt. And, that the problem is not in people calling too many chickens Easter Eggers but rather in some people (including people and hatcheries which sell chicks) thinking that any colored egg layer is either an Ameraucana or an Araucana.

 

[speckledhen]

pips&peeps :

An EE is a bird that carries the blue egg gene, but does not conform to either the ameraucana or araucana standards. It can be any number of crosses of birds.

Once a bird does not carry or present a blue or green egg, then I believe it would be considered just a mixed breed bird.

Agreed. Panda carried the blue egg gene as do her sisters. Mixed breed is mixed breed and hatchery EEs are mixed, no more or no less than BR/Ameraucanas.​

 

[MichiganWoods]

pips&peeps :

An EE is a bird that carries the blue egg gene, but does not conform to either the ameraucana or araucana standards. It can be any number of crosses of birds.

Once a bird does not carry or present a blue or green egg, then I believe it would be considered just a mixed breed bird.

You said it much more eloquently than I!

Correct me if I am wrong, but the only two purebred chickens to carry the blue egg gene is the Araucana and the Ameraucana, right? Any chicken that lays a blue or green egg would therefor be a descendant of either of these breeds, but with the way hatcheries go, you would never be able to tell how many generations back that purebred blue egg gene carrier was. To me, I would still call it an EE no matter how many generations back the purebred ancestor was so long as my chicken layed a blue egg. They were designated the name Easter Egger, after all. And what is often associated with the Easter holiday? Colorful eggs.​

 

[Krys109uk]

I'd have thought the confusion has only arisen because someone decided to give a name to crossbreeds derived from blue/green egg laying breeds.

Surely the fact that one cannot really say whether the bird necessarily the blue egg gene, have beard & muffs, be any particular colour or produce any predictable results from breeding, says something?