When is an EE no longer an EE?

[ChickenWisperer]

An EE is the "coined term" for a mutt that lays blue and/or green eggs........that has some sort of lineage with an Araucana or Ameraucana ancestor. So how could she not be an EE? If she still carries the gene for a blue/green egg, and lays a blue/green egg, she is an EE, or a mutt. Two words for prety much the same thing, except EEs lay blue/green eggs. just a specialized term, not a breed.

 

[pips&peeps]

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Where do you get your information? In bold??
And you believe...your opinion also....we all have them....we should be allowed to state them....my opinion is that br/ amer is a mutt not an EE.

I get that information from my experience in breeding true ameraucanas and my associations with the founding members of the Ameraucana Breeders Club and my associations with araucana breeders.

And how is your ee not a mutt also?

 

[ILOVEFRIZZLES]

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I agree with these so people that have ameraucanas that are not show colors should not have to post them as EE they are not mutts just not SQ. So when I post my Ameraucana eggs of sell some one always get on to say they are EE. Why?

 

[roosty]

If her mutt br/amer is an EE then mine are NOT in that class. And neither is alot of other peoples so called EE's.....
Again....this is only a big ordeal in the internet world....in everyday life in the real world what she has would with out a doubt be a mutt. And *EE's* would be ameraucanas...as long as all the other traits were there....(where Im from)

 

[pips&peeps]

Not all correctly colored ameraucanas are show quality either. It takes about 1 in 30 chicks to be show quality if you have good breeding birds.

They have to breed true at least 50% of the time. Per my experience, mixed colored birds don't breed true.

 

[speckledhen]

Y'all do realize that many of the "Ameraucana/Araucana" that hatcheries sell lay brown eggs and have yellow skin, right? That is actually very common. They are advertised as Ameraucana. They don't even lay blue or green eggs like my cross does. So, what are you going to call those? They come from the same breeding stock as the other "EEs" they sell.

 

[roosty]

pips&peeps :

Not all correctly colored ameraucanas are show quality either. It takes about 1 in 30 chicks to be show quality if you have good breeding birds.

They have to breed true at least 50% of the time. Per my experience, mixed colored birds don't breed true.

question for you!! Say I have 2 white *ee's* (came from mixed colored birds) and I breed them and hatch 2 eggs....one chick is white and the other mixed color....Do I have pure ameraucanas??? Afterall that is 50% aint it??​

 

[ILOVEFRIZZLES]

like is said my bird all lay blue eggs have breads and slate legs some are the right color and some are not. And they did not come from and hatchery that makes them all Ameraucanas and so is every other bird that is like this.

 

[speckledhen]

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question for you!! Say I have 2 white *ee's* (came from mixed colored birds) and I breed them and hatch 2 eggs....one chick is white and the other mixed color....Do I have pure ameraucanas??? Afterall that is 50% aint it??

You must have a much larger sampling, scientifically speaking, to be able to say a bird breeds true a certain percentage of the time.

 

[ChooksChick]

I desperately want to hear from the hatchery folks, because there is some point to what's being argued (ahem...discussed!).

If a hatchery had some ameraucanas that weren't standard colors, say 75 years ago, and they work in those lines without mixing in a bunch of other breeds (I'm NOT a breeder, don't even know if the scenario I'm painting is possible) and sell birds that are bearded, muffed, and generally fit the Ameraucana standard in all ways but color, why should those birds be discredited any more than a Polish or Cochin that doesn't fit one of the colors accepted as standard for its breed? Why should an Ameraucana 'reject' or an Araucana 'reject' be booted from its breed because it isn't perfect? We don't do that with other breeds.

My question is assuming they aren't producing these birds at the hatcheries by putting Ameraucana hens in with any old roo to get whatever 50/50 chicks- I can't see them doing that.

Does any of what I've said make sense? I'm confuzzling myself...