when will we stop calling them "cornish cross"?

[galanie]

Panties getting in a bunch about this does not exude an air of intelligence. I prefer to privately think myself superior rather than advertise it. Like Bee said, it's a c h i c k e n fer cryin' out loud. And if someone mentions "cornish cross" or "cornish x" then at least we all know what they're talking about.

 

[Beekissed]

Heap on the sarcasm all you want. It's not your self respect that I care about, it's mine. I don't want to go through life being ignorant about anything if I can help it. This is a general philosophy. It doesn't matter if the subject is as meaningless (to you) as chickens. Correct terminology is not a gray area, it either is or it isn't. If you want to go through life enabling those who are proud of being ignorant, so be it. I guess we still do need a class of folks who will always be there to ask if we want fries with our order.

So, by your standard, I should insist on everyone~including yourself~using correct medical terminology when referring to the body just because I'm a nurse...because it matters so much to have everyone in the world conform to my standards of addressing things by their proper terminology. If not, then I can just relegate you to the intellectually inferior folks who serve fries for a living? Do you have any idea just how pompous you sound?

Anyone assuming that people who serve fries as their employment are somehow mentally inferior just shows their own cognitive shortcomings and insecurities. How sad that you feel the need to compartmentalize others so you can feel superior.

I can't imagine using chicken terminology as my standard for judgement of mental capacity. Putting down those who work in minimum wage jobs also shows your basic insecurity and lack of true perspective on people in general. Real intelligence is knowing that there are all kinds of people, many degrees of cognitive prowess and not everyone is born with the same abilities. The so-called "class" of person who works in the fast food industry are at least smart enough to treat people with civility, take pride in their jobs just like anyone working at NASA and have enough intelligence to have humility enough to work for and serve food to all kinds of people...even people in your "class"..whatever you presume to believe that is.

I have a suggestion, though...a person who feels the need to insult another person's intelligence because they work serving fast food or people who don't call chicken breeds just what YOU want them to be called, has little to no "class" at all.

And in the spirit of the thread, I'll go one further and suggest~in the correct terminology~ that you may have Asperger's Syndrome with a side order of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, judging from the posts you have submitted on this site. They show a lack of social skills and a rigid adherence to black and white ideology, with a strong need to have everything a certain way so that you can feel secure in your world. When you cannot get others to agree with or conform to your thinking, you resort to insults.

Sorry we can't oblige and no matter how many times you attempt to sling insults and cast aspersions on our intelligence because we don't see the world like you do, it won't change things. I'm sorry that you have these afflictions and I know you cannot help being the way that you are, but there are medicines out there that can help you control these tendencies if you would like help.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Trust me, from where I am standing, your statements are far from being free of ignorance. I do not think a chicken forum thread will be helpful in your stated goal to remove ignorance from your own life though. More actual communication and less insults may help you in that goal.

So, what is the magical black and white term educated people should know to call these hybrids? I still have not seen one come up that is in any way more accurate than current terms in use. "Broiler" is not descriptive enough, and can apply to various birds as well as a normal stage in heritage chickens (broiler, fryer, roaster, fowl/stewing bird). I would recommend taking the following steps if championing a standardized name for these four-way mixes.
1. Come up with a name that is appropriate for these birds. Again, 'broiler' will be rejected by many.
2. Begin to form an authoritative group for these birds. Right now, no one here has any more authority than the next person as to what to call them for the reasons listed in a previous post.
3. Start with events these birds are shown at to begin standardizing the chosen name.
4. Realize that these are not open source birds to the public, or purebreds, and are instead industry hybrids with industry owned parent stock. It will make it more difficult to get a name standardized in any form. But, trying to do so would be much more palatable to many, rather than just complaining about things in an insulting manner without trying to offer a viable solution.

 

[kellypepperk]

@Beekissed - Brilliant!

I'm sorry, I like to have fun in life. I know we're just North of trash, but we like to call our Gallus gallus domesticus by the loving term of chicker-peckers. And sometimes we even refer to horses as doggies!
Just because we don't all strive to over-achieve in each aspect of our lives does not mean that we are not awesome, educated and astounding people!

 

[smilingcat]

Not much to add except to say that this thread reminds me of bunch of engineers who have to be RIGHT! MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!! mentality. They are so ANAL about minute detail!! It's enough to drive anyone batty.

If I know what you are trying to tell me, then everything is good. If you have to refer to a bird with the hatchery assigned line of bird I would shake my head and go huh? If you say broiler, meatie or Cornish X then I'm fine. When the guys start trying to tell me about whats wrong with my car, I git it when you say your clutch is busted. But if you were to say , "Ma'am, the throwout bearing is shot and the pressure plate is warped" Okay so what? What does it mean? Should I care? Can I still drive it?

Much ado about nothin'

Cornish Cross, Cornish X, meatie meatie,,,, Whew!! Why, I've got bunch of meaties!!!

 

[Bossroo]

Coined marketing term " Cornish Game Hen" or Cornish X ... just a word description on a label so that the purchacer of the ingrediants of the package can have an idea of what they are actually purchasing for a prefered method of cooking that particular meal. When I purchase a Cornish X chick from a hatchery, I am reasonably assured that I can grow one to be a roasted Cornish Game Hen for a single person meal or fried or BBQed or roasted chicken dinner for the family. Mac and cheese anyone ? What in the world is a "M A C " anyway ?

 

[galanie]

Not much to add except to say that this thread reminds me of bunch of engineers who have to be RIGHT! MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!! mentality. They are so ANAL about minute detail!! It's enough to drive anyone batty.

If I know what you are trying to tell me, then everything is good. If you have to refer to a bird with the hatchery assigned line of bird I would shake my head and go huh? If you say broiler, meatie or Cornish X then I'm fine.  When the guys start trying to tell me about whats wrong with my car, I git it when you say your clutch is busted. But if you were to say , "Ma'am, the throwout bearing is shot and the pressure plate is warped" Okay so what? What does it mean? Should I care? Can I still drive it?

Much ado about nothin'

Cornish Cross, Cornish X, meatie meatie,,,, Whew!! Why, I've got bunch of meaties!!!

Now wait a minute! My kid is an engineer! And so ANAL about detail.
A rose by any other name... Would still stink like hell in a pen with a buncha other meaties.

 

[enel 1]

Some people just have chickens,and some people raise chickens..some people get a sense of pride in the things they have some people couldn't care less as long as it served its purpose, I myself don't think people should confuse standard Dark Cornish with the commercial broilers,just like people don't like production reds being confused with heritage rhode Island reds,and they are a lot closer in their heritage than the Cornish and the commercial broiler are by a long shot.Beekissed,if your happy with misrepresentation of breeds,then so be it,but to cause so much controversy,and to incorporate unrelated issues into this..well,i don't know what to say about that,you say your a nurse,do the doctors allow you to call the tools they use by common names? do they ask for long pliers or hemostats?do they ask for tweezers or forceps, and if you misrepresented any of their tools wouldn't they correct you? that's all I'm saying...lets stop misrepresenting these birds by calling them some thing there not and by correcting others when they don't know the difference.

 

[enel 1]

since when do commercial hatcheries set the standard for anything.
unless your standards are lowest common denominator mass production.

(though, i have seen backyard birds from Privett in NM that are superior to
show birds. i don't know how they do it but it is impressive - and they are big.)

i don't speak for the original poster but as for a lot of other americans
i have known around the country - it's tiring to have everything vulgarized
to mollify the 'herd' population.
make their name the accurate one and leave the 'drive through' convenience behind.

personally i would like to know the origin of every hatcheries offerings.
(as described by enel 1)

maybe the big question is, does anyone really know what is in them ?
maybe this thread should focus on that first.

cheers to Eric -enel 1 wave the flag of truth all you want.

thanks buddy!

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Again, no one has put forth an all-encompassing name that seems apt. What are you going to tell people to call them?