White Breeds for Fibro Pen?

[RetroRanch]

Recessive white takes a copy from both parents to show up white so no white birds. Recessive white also hides everything underneath it so depending on what other genes it has hard to say what the chicks would look like.
ACs should just be black and that covers a lot so odds are black chicks or black chicks that get leakage with age. Of course if the recessive white bird has blue or splash or barring etc. That stuff could show up.

What do you mean Leghorns have the barring gene? And how did you conclude they're sexable at hatch?
They're not sexable. I've heard the barring thing myself but from experience it sure doesn't seem true except in very, very rare cases.

I am in a zombie chicken group on Facebook. Their whole thing is that you can only call offspring from a ln AC Roo and WLH Hen a zombie. Everything else is something else. They say that F1 crosses are sexable at hatch with the females only showing Fibro and the males showing none.

 

[The Moonshiner]

They say that F1 crosses are sexable at hatch with the females only showing Fibro and the males showing none.

This is correct because there is a sex linked gene involved with Fibro.

I am in a zombie chicken group on Facebook. Their whole thing is that you can only call offspring from a ln AC Roo and WLH Hen a zombie. Everything else is something else.

Here's my take and it's just my opinion. Nothing against you or your project. I'm a big advocate of projects.
First off I understand a lot of people in FB groups believe they're somehow special and their opinions should matter to everyone else because they are all knowing. I've found most are not really knowledgeable. Blame BYC because there's so many knowledgeable members here.
As far as what is or isn't a real "zombie" that's up for debate and not a debate I want in one. "Zombie" is just a name someone came up with some how some where. Those birds aren't a breed, just a project and with projects some people follow others duplicating the recipe and others change the recipe for personal reasons. Again they're not a breed so to each their own. Whether you want to follow someone else's ideas, use a name someone else assigned or do your own thing is up to you.
I'd assume if your active in the FB group it's not gonna set well to not fall in line.
So where you at? You have AC roosters and looking for options for dominate white breeds to pick up females from?
Why not go with WLs they're easy to find?

 

[RetroRanch]

This is correct because there is a sex linked gene involved with Fibro.

Here's my take and it's just my opinion. Nothing against you or your project. I'm a big advocate of projects.
First off I understand a lot of people in FB groups believe they're somehow special and their opinions should matter to everyone else because they are all knowing. I've found most are not really knowledgeable. Blame BYC because there's so many knowledgeable members here.
As far as what is or isn't a real "zombie" that's up for debate and not a debate I want in one. "Zombie" is just a name someone came up with some how some where. Those birds aren't a breed, just a project and with projects some people follow others duplicating the recipe and others change the recipe for personal reasons. Again they're not a breed so to each their own. Whether you want to follow someone else's ideas, use a name someone else assigned or do your own thing is up to you.
I'd assume if your active in the FB group it's not gonna set well to not fall in line.
So where you at? You have AC roosters and looking for options for dominate white breeds to pick up females from?
Why not go with WLs they're easy to find?

I am a lurker in the group. I agree with you on all points. I do have a few leghorns and was going to give them a try, but thought it would be cool to throw a couple of different breeds in the pen with the AC roo. I also have Blue Ameraucanas, several varieties of Orpingtons, Isabel Brahmas, and more. Just looking into options

 

[The Moonshiner]

I am a lurker in the group. I agree with you on all points. I do have a few leghorns and was going to give them a try, but thought it would be cool to throw a couple of different breeds in the pen with the AC roo. I also have Blue Ameraucanas, several varieties of Orpingtons, Isabel Brahmas, and more. Just looking into options

I'd find someone that raises "paint" Ameraucanas.
With breeding paints there's usually some double dominate white birds produced. I'd look for some of those for the blue egg genes.
Crossed with brown egg layers you should get green eggs. Heck I'd focus on zombie chickens that lay ghoulish green eggs.

 

[RetroRanch]

I'd find someone that raises "paint" Ameraucanas.
With breeding paints there's usually some double dominate white birds produced. I'd look for some of those for the blue egg genes.
Crossed with brown egg layers you should get green eggs. Heck I'd focus on zombie chickens that lay ghoulish green eggs.

That’s actually a great idea!!

 

[AinaWGSD]

That’s actually a great idea!!

It kinda is! And if zombie purists give you a hard time, you can call your project birds gouls instead

 

[The Moonshiner]

That’s actually a great idea!!

Moony always has great ideas. The problem is getting anyone to listen to them.

 

[NatJ]

Hi all! I am trying to plan a Fibro breeding pen for next year. I have Ayam Cemanis already, but wondering what breeds I could use to get that cool “zombie” look, aside from Leghorns. I know that actual Zombie chickens are AC Roo over White Leghorn hens. I have heard that leghorns are super flighty and I would like to work with a breed that is more docile. I’m thinking along the lines of LF Cochins, Brahmas or Jersey Giants. A white Phoenix would be pretty cool too I think (but probably pretty flighty). I was thinking that it would be cool to find a few breeds that come in all white and work with those. Any suggestions?

You could try any of the red sexlink hens that show white in their tails. (ISA Brown, Golden Comet, Red Star, etc)

They have Dominant White, the gene that turns black into white, and will generally give it to half of their chicks.

So crossing them with an Ayam Cemani rooster should give about half of chicks white, and half of chicks black. For both the blacks and the whites, there is a chance of them showing some leakage of other colors as they mature. Once you raise some chicks from a particular set of hens, you will know whether leakage is a problem with their chicks.

If you have a bunch of red sexlink hens to choose from (adults), pick the ones with the most white and least red, and it should slightly reduce the amount of other-color leakage in the chicks.

Red sexlinks tend be readily available, good layers, and have good temperaments (of course individuals may vary, but that's the general pattern.)

Dominant White is also present in Buff Laced Polish and White Laced Red Cornish or Wyandottes (makes the lacing be white instead of the black you would otherwise expect.) Also in Chamois Spitzhaubens (makes the spangles be white instead of black.)

As a general rule of thumb, if a chicken shows red or gold in some kind of pattern with white, they have Dominant White.

 

[The Moonshiner]

You could try any of the red sexlink hens that show white in their tails. (ISA Brown, Golden Comet, Red Star, etc)

They have Dominant White, the gene that turns black into white, and will generally give it to half of their chicks.

So crossing them with an Ayam Cemani rooster should give about half of chicks white, and half of chicks black. For both the blacks and the whites, there is a chance of them showing some leakage of other colors as they mature. Once you raise some chicks from a particular set of hens, you will know whether leakage is a problem with their chicks.

If you have a bunch of red sexlink hens to choose from (adults), pick the ones with the most white and least red, and it should slightly reduce the amount of other-color leakage in the chicks.

Red sexlinks tend be readily available, good layers, and have good temperaments (of course individuals may vary, but that's the general pattern.)

Dominant White is also present in Buff Laced Polish and White Laced Red Cornish or Wyandottes (makes the lacing be white instead of the black you would otherwise expect.) Also in Chamois Spitzhaubens (makes the spangles be white instead of black.)

As a general rule of thumb, if a chicken shows red or gold in some kind of pattern with white, they have Dominant White.

 

[Skyeknight]

They say that F1 crosses are sexable at hatch with the females only showing Fibro and the males showing none.

As far as I seem to understand the theory this is only applicable if the AC is the father and the WLH is the mother. If the reverse is true than they aren't sexable at hatch. If you don't know which one is which parent then it's just 50/50 guessing if it's a boy or girl. A lot of members in that facebook group seem to not know this.