Whoa... OUR Governor is going to run as VP?!?!?!

[gamebirdsonly]

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If I was raped, I wouldn't want to carry and bear and possibly raise the child of my rapist. I want a choice.

If I want to get married and wait to have children, I want access to the best birth control possible. I want to plan my family so that I can still express love to my husband, but not have more children than we can financially, responsibly care for. I want a choice.

If you don't give me a choice, that doesn't mean I will suddenly share your values or beliefs. It is easier to attract flies with honey.

The ultra-conservatives do not want me to have that choice. They think they can impose their values on the most intimate part of me. That seems like more government-imposed control than most conservatives would usually want.

I don't think your going have to worry about not having birth control, I personally don't have a problem with using birth control, but using a abortion other then under possible death to the woman or as you mentioned raped then under those circumstances then yes abortion would be a option but just to kill a unborn child because your not ready to be a mother is a poor excuse if you play around then you ought to expect to pay for your actions.

 

[FloridaChickenChick]

So,....I was a Hillary supporter. Now I should be a McCain supporter because he chose a woman to run with him? Uh, I don't think so. She is NOT a replacement for Hillary Clinton. I won't be voting for McCain but it's not because of Palin...it's because of McCain.

Having said that, it's great to see accomplished women getting recognition. She is enormously popular in Alaska.

This will be an amazing election! Either way, we will have either a woman or an African-American in the White House...I was starting to think I would not see this in my lifetime.

 

[lengel]

I didn't read this thread but, as a dyed in the wool democrat, it's clear to me that compromise is required and I for one am thrilled with McCain's choice.

The only thing I glanced at that I found odd in this thread was the assumption that McCain is so conservative. He really isn't. It's why so many in his party haven't like him in the past.

In any event, I have great faith in this ticket. People become much more realistic when they take office in any capacity as a general rule. McCain has the experience to be flexible and his new running mate seems smart, fresh and enthusiastic. She'll learn to compromise as she goes.

 

[The Chicken Lady]

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The Democratic Party was the first to accept minority Americans as on equal footing with white Americans. As well, the Democratic Party ensures, with laws, that all Americans must be treated with fairness, equality, and dignity. Racism is still alive and well today, as has been exhibited in this thread, although, at times, it is subtler than it was in the past. If we can't trust ourselves to do what is right by other human beings, I guess we have to put the government in charge to make sure that happens. I'm not surprised if members of minorities often feel more inclined to vote for a Democrat.

John McCain, a Republican, is still back in the women's suffrage movement. He voted against a proposal that would have guaranteed women of the same education and experience the same pay as a man with the same position in a company. He isn't even ready for the Civil Rights movement yet.

 

[FloridaChickenChick]

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In Florida, if you write in a candidate and there is not a write in candidate who has gone through the right steps, I believe your ENTIRE ballot is invalidated. I may be wrong...it may just be the vote where you wrote in a name, but I really think it's the entire ballot.

Before you write in a name, make sure you're not cutting off your nose to spite your face!

 

[tygab]

That seems like more government-imposed control than most conservatives would usually want.

Ah, but the the people you describe don't care that they are imposing their values. They believe they know what's best, and will gladly use the government or any other social tool as their means of imposition.​

 

[gamebirdsonly]

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The Democratic Party was the first to accept minority Americans as on equal footing with white Americans. As well, the Democratic Party ensures, with laws, that all Americans must be treated with fairness, equality, and dignity. Racism is still alive and well today, as has been exhibited in this thread, although, at times, it is subtler than it was in the past. If we can't trust ourselves to do what is right by other human beings, I guess we have to put the government in charge to make sure that happens. I'm not surprised if members of minorities often feel more inclined to vote for a Democrat.

John McCain, a Republican, is still back in the women's suffrage movement. He voted against a proposal that would have guaranteed women of the same education and experience the same pay as a man with the same position in a company. He isn't even ready for the Civil Rights movement yet.

I think you need to look at the voting records of the democrats in the sixty's they were against the civil right s movement. And the only reason their the minority party now is for the votes as long as they keep giving them hand outs their just going to keep voting dems they could care less about them other then to get their vote

 

[minifarm8]

SO many thoughts running through my head!

I can see why McCain chose her.... for many reasons. I watched her speech today and was impressed. Having chosen to continue her pregnancy knowing the outcome does give her credibility when discussing pro-life issues. She has been in a situation where abortion could be expected and her family made a choice. (We seem to forget about the fathers of these babies and their rights) Many others who talk about it can't say they have been there.

I am a woman and don't usually follow along with the feminist movement. It gets frustrating to hear the media lump all women together as if we all vote the same. As we can see here, we have very different beliefs. She has certainly made the race more interesting.

As far as Hilary having more experience, I believe being mayor and governor is better experience for (vice)president than being first lady and in the senate. She does not have a voting record, but her elected office record seems great.

The more people interested in the process, the better for our country.

 

[tomstephens]

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I'm sorry but this is wrong. I spent a majority of my life as one of those poor people who wanted the government to help out. I'm only in my twenties so don't think this is too long ago, but my mom was paid only $600/mo supervising an apartment complex. She was a single mother with 2 kids but still no help. So she had to work 2 extra jobs. As soon as I was old enough to work I had to. I needed basics like ... a winter coat.

It's just not that simple.

I'm certainly not rich, but I'll gladly give up a little extra of my money so that some kid who was born into a situation outside of his control doesn't have to deal with what I did. Maybe kids can have better chance at education, so they don't end up a high school drop out like me. I'd like to see kids with help from the community so they don't end up in jail because their one parent is working constantly and can't really be around to give them guidance. Maybe with some good community outreach they could have a better influence than a guy who was a high school drop out who was killed by his own brother before he was 20 because they were high and playing with a gun.

Maybe community service could help a kid reconcile the fact that just because his dad was a drug addict and ran off with his rehab nurse, that he isn't who his father was and he doesn't have to repeat that cycle. Maybe a community that cares could help a kid deal with it when his step dad loses it and starts a high speed chase back to his trailer where he shoots a couple of cops and then blows his own head off just after setting the place on fire. But the way it is now, there's limited to no help for those kids.

When this is your story you realize that it's anything but fair for people to talk about all the lazy people who want to take advantage of the system. If this was your story, I can gaurantee you wouldn't look at community service as a problem, but rather as a solution.

We should volunteer because it has the chance to change the world. If we realized that without each other we would fail maybe a government wouldn't have to come along and practically force people to serve.

 

[The Chicken Lady]

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The Democratic Party was the first to accept minority Americans as on equal footing with white Americans. As well, the Democratic Party ensures, with laws, that all Americans must be treated with fairness, equality, and dignity. Racism is still alive and well today, as has been exhibited in this thread, although, at times, it is subtler than it was in the past. If we can't trust ourselves to do what is right by other human beings, I guess we have to put the government in charge to make sure that happens. I'm not surprised if members of minorities often feel more inclined to vote for a Democrat.

John McCain, a Republican, is still back in the women's suffrage movement. He voted against a proposal that would have guaranteed women of the same education and experience the same pay as a man with the same position in a company. He isn't even ready for the Civil Rights movement yet.

I think you need to look at the voting records of the democrats in the sixty's they were against the civil right s movement. And the only reason their the minority party now is for the votes as long as they keep giving them hand outs their just going to keep voting dems they could care less about them other then to get their vote

Yes, but Democrats were the first to open their eyes after the sixties and realize racism was wrong.

I really wish you would stop equating members of minorities with "looking for handouts." It's a sweeping generalization that has racist overtones. There is no place for racism in 21st century America, and there shouldn't have been a place for it at anytime, anywhere.

I've spent a lot of time in this thread today, so I'll bow out before I say anything that gets me in trouble.