Why are my friends chickens falling over and dying?

Honestly that's what I thought, but she INSISTS it's not Marek's and she's usually got good instincts. Hopefully I'll get some more opinions on the matter.

Rubber eggs, if truly shell-less, can be nutrition related (i.e. D3, phosphorus, calcium, manganese), but since none of her other birds have a problem, it is most likely disease related. In fact, feeding additional calcium may do more harm than good.

Newcastle disease, IB, AI, Egg drop syndrome and many other diseases can cause this issue. A necropsy with lab work will tell.

I'm not sure how someone can insist it's not Marek's without lab work or even a cursory necropsy. Marek's can have a wide range of symptoms or sometimes none at all - just sudden death.
More chickens die from Marek's virus than any other disease. It is so common that one can safely assume their chickens are infected whether they show symptoms or not.
Some birds carry the resistance factor B21 and breeding for resistance is the best defense.
Stress will reduce a flock's resistance. That can be from crowding, moving or the natural stress from maturing. That's why 10-25 weeks is the optimum time for the disease to represent and why chicks shouldn't be raised with adult birds.
The six herpes viruses that cause Marek's survive in dust and litter for years.
If it is Marek's, your friend may want to do nothing more than cull affected birds. The rest will be resistant. There is no cure once succumbed.


Hey I contacted Kansas State University, who does necropsy's in my State and they said they don't test for Marek's themselves but they send it out to a lab. It's $12 to get the necropsy and $60 to have it sent to the lab for Marek's testing. :eek: Does anyone know of a lab I could directly send it to instead of going through KSU?
IMO, that's pretty reasonable. In MO, I pay between $75 and $100 for a complete workup of the bird. It is well worth it to know what killed a bird, what actions, if any, I need to take and whether other birds are at risk.
One can bite the bullet and pay for the necropsy or chew gum and watch birds continue to die while guessing and stabbing in the dark.
If I have one bird die, I either do a cursory necropsy myself or what I usually do is send them off to Columbia, MO. If I had more than one bird die in short order, I'd definitely get the lab work done. I've driven the 6 hours round trip several times (sometimes all night) to take a live bird there for euthanasia and necropsy. If the bird is dead, they will send me a FedEx label for shipping. They will add that reduced cost to the necropsy bill.

If your friend is unable or unwilling to opt for the necropsy, they should at least cut the bird open. Of the 4 forms of Marek's, the skin form will cause enlarged feather follicles. The nerve form (likely) will cause progressive paralysis, labored breathing, diarrhea and weight loss. The ocular form will cause misshapen pupils, grey iris and emaciation. The visceral form will cause tumors in most organs, especially lungs, ovary and heart along with enlarged liver.
 
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Rubber eggs, if truly shell-less, can be nutrition related (i.e. D3, phosphorus, calcium, manganese), but since none of her other birds have a problem, it is most likely disease related. In fact, feeding additional calcium may do more harm than good.

Newcastle disease, IB, AI, Egg drop syndrome and many other diseases can cause this issue. A necropsy with lab work will tell.

I'm not sure how someone can insist it's not Marek's without lab work or even a cursory necropsy. Marek's can have a wide range of symptoms or sometimes none at all - just sudden death.
More chickens die from Marek's virus than any other disease. It is so common that one can safely assume their chickens are infected whether they show symptoms or not.
Some birds carry the resistance factor B21 and breeding for resistance is the best defense.
Stress will reduce a flock's resistance. That can be from crowding, moving or the natural stress from maturing. That's why 10-25 weeks is the optimum time for the disease to represent and why chicks shouldn't be raised with adult birds.
The six herpes viruses that cause Marek's survive in dust and litter years.
If it is Marek's, your friend may want to do nothing more than cull affected birds. The rest will be resistant. There is no cure once succumbed.



IMHO, that's pretty reasonable. In MO, I pay between $75 and $100 for a complete workup of the bird. It is well worth it to know what killed a bird, what actions, if any, I need to take and whether other birds are at risk.
One can bite the bullet and pay for the necropsy or chew gum and watch birds continue to die while guessing and stabbing in the dark.
If I have one bird die, I either do a cursory necropsy myself but I usually send them off to Columbia. If I had more than one bird die in short order, I'd definitely get the lab work done. I've driven the 6 hours round trip several times (sometimes all night) to take a live bird there for euthanasia and necropsy. If the bird is dead, they will send me a FedEx label for shipping. They will add that reduced cost to the necropsy bill.

If your friend is unable or unwilling to opt for the necropsy, they should at least cut the bird open. Of the 4 forms of Marek's, the skin form will cause enlarged feather follicles. The nerve form (likely) will cause progressive paralysis, labored breathing, diarrhea and weight loss. The ocular form will cause misshapen pupils, grey iris, emaciation. The visceral form will cause tumors in most organs, especially lungs, ovary and heart along with enlarged liver.
Thank you for such a thorough explanation! I really appreciate it! I will have her read this and see what she wants to do. I may have to make the drive and cut open a chicken with her! (I actually enjoy hands on learning like that!) and possibly take one back to KSU for her. Thanks again for commenting!
 
Thank you for such a thorough explanation! I really appreciate it! I will have her read this and see what she wants to do. I may have to make the drive and cut open a chicken with her! (I actually enjoy hands on learning like that!) and possibly take one back to KSU for her. Thanks again for commenting!

You're welcome. It's things like this that cause people to get out of the poultry keeping gig because they don't go to the extra measure of figuring out what they did or didn't do wrong.
 

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