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I'll have to do that...though it takes some time for my dial up to load pics and it seems silly to take pics of a old feeder, watering pan and feed bin. How about I describe my setup?

I have an ancient hen house coop that is about 8 ft. X 15 ft. My roosts are recycled bean poles and old branches set about 4 1/2 ft off the floor. I use deep litter all year round, so poop is not an issue for me....it falls into the deep litter, my chickens keep it mixed in and it slowly decomposes into the litter. No bad smells, no flies....its pleasant and woody smelling. I also use shredded paper from the office....dump the bag in a spreading motion, chickens mix it in. My coop has one whole wall of windows and the opposite wall has a large one as well. I clean out deep litter twice a year. It doesn't have a bad smell and is light and fluffy.

Feed bin consists of a metal garbage can located right beside the feed trough. Open can, bend over, scoop several scoops into the trough. The trough is wrapped in welded wire to prevent scratching and flicking...easy to fill. I only feed once in the evening, as my birds forage all day and I like to encourage this. And no one goes to bed without having a full gut.

Nest boxes are galvanized, mounted on the opposite wall of the feed trough. Mix of pine bedding and hay....never much poop in my nests as no one sleeps there. All my junior birds are either roosting or sleeping in the bedding, if they are too timid. If one tries to sleep in the nests, the attached roosts are the type that fold up and block the nests. Simple stuff.

Watering pan is black rubber....it is located over by my watering hose. A quick bend, swish and rinse motion, refill. Simple.

Collecting eggs? Once day when I feed~either I take a basket with me or I just hold my shirt out and cradle them there. Not time consuming.

This is my routine daily....I only have to visit my coop in the evening...once a day. My pop door is open 24/7..I never shut it and the birds put themselves to bed. I have the best chicken insurance in the world sleeping right outside their door and ever watchful all day.

I guess you could include my dog feeding with the chicken routine which adds a minute onto the routine...dump some feed on the ground, check the water...rinse and refill the bucket as needed. Give hugs and pats, etc.

I can't imagine trying to clean up poop each day...how tiresome and they will just make more the next day! Why not use deep litter and capture the value of the manure, compost it right there in the pen until its time to spread it on the gardens? Throw some BOSS down in it once in awhile for really good turning by the chickens.

Maybe y'all are trying to be too clean and pristine in your setups? Since I free range, most of the manure is out on the acre I live on...the dogs keep it cleaned up almost immediately. I try to keep the chicken's environment as natural as possible and it must be working. They are healthy and thriving, no illnesses yet.

Joe, I can't even imagine having carpeting in my nest boxes...too hard to keep clean. If poop does get in my nests, I just pull the contents out and throw it into my deep litter, walk next door to the dog barn and grab an armful of hay and replace it. Quick, effective, done in a couple of seconds.

There really is no need for all this scrubbing, scraping, cleaning of chicken coops, waterers and feeders. It might make you feel good, but in the long run it doesn't change the fact that chickens live exposed to their own feces and any other environmental pathogens that may be present. Expose them early and often to build a good immune system, give them fresh water and good food each day....and just collect them eggs.
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right on beekissed, I'm not judging anyone but I believe if you keep you coop sanitized the birds immune system will suffer, in the wild they don't live in sanitized conditions, I do use deep litter in the coop and a sand run, I never clean the runs and put the litter on the garden once a year in the fall and my birds are happy healthy and beautiful, I use a rain water capture system that is connected to the nipple water line (basically automatic) and large enough feeders to keep there little crops full for at least a week, so my daily is, walk out to the coop and collect eggs, once weekly I feed them. And my breeding pens that are almost complete cost me about $800, that's for all six including nest boxes watering system and feeders they will be connected to the watering system and feeders will be good for at least a week
 
We have outdoor carpeting lining the bottom of our nesting boxes, because we were having a problem with cracked eggs. The carpet is covered with shreaded paper, which we have to continue putting in periodically, due to disappearances. But we don't allow the young pullets to roost on the nesting boxes. Sure they don't willingly go in the roost with the roosters and hens, but when it is almost dark, someone goes in and pushes them off the boxes and picks up the eggs and the pullets then get the hint and goes in the roost. We would have hoped that by now they would be completely trained, but it might take a few more weeks. We do have some cleaning to do, but it would be worse if we just left them there to roost all night.
 
what a great bunch of ideas - so encouraging. we have been selling our eggs for quite a while to a doctor's office in another city. they request six dozen a week and we are getting $3/dozen. it pays for their feed which i greatly appreciate. i have 20 hens but have only been getting 6-10eggs a day, so someone isn't carrying their weight . . . and if i don't have enough eggs to make the six dozen, i go to the neighbors and purchase them out of her garage fridge - anything to keep a happy customer. also, i use eggs, honey (from our hives), maple syrup (from our trees), and canned goods as "thank you" gifts to the UPS guy, hairdresser, etc. a little different than bartering, but creates goodwill.

beekissed - i have been using a "poop tray" under the roosting poles to capture the waste because my coop is not so big and they stay in most of the michigan winter. but that has been getting old in the spring/summer/fall. i may try your way and just let it fall into the deep litter.

i used to have silkies and so had one box near the ground (about 1 foot off) - the rest are up on the wall. if i have an injured hen or lazy hen, they will use the lower box. i buy horse bedding called swift pick 'cause it's smaller chopped shavings and easier to turn with the fork when the bedding needs airing.
 
Sandra, like most folks, I used to rake out my coop at the end of each week and place the manure on a compost heap. I had tried deep litter using hay and was not satisfied with the results. Then I tried the pine bedding and was immediately pleased with how it seemed to just swallow that poop and it smelled so fresh.

When I used to not have deep litter, in the winter I would have frosted combs on the roos and the chickens seemed so much more cold in their coop each night. Since I've been using the deep litter I have not had one frosted comb, the chickens have something to do if they have to stay indoors for inclement weather, the litter actually seemed to keep the coop warm..possibly the composting material?

And no more smell in the summer months! The deep litter just seems to keep that fresh poop odor down and it stays so light and fluffy that I can't see cleaning it out very often. They say that chickens will derive extra protein from picking through deep litter and eating bugs and their own feces.

Now poop is not a battle or unpleasantry to be dealt with...it is a valuable part of my coop and my gardens. The dogs are missing out, though...they used to love coop clean out days!
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Well here is my setup
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Not the prettiest coop in the world but it works for us. I'm about to redo my nesting boxes. RIght now i have 8 in a single row but I think I'm going to rebuild it to where I have 4 on the botton and 4 on top! I'm trying to make room for an extra roost. Not that all the chickens can't fit on there they just won't They like to roost out side on this roost that I made and I want them them be roosting the in the coop before winter sets in. I have 3 seperate areas. While I'm filling the 5 gallon feeder I'm getting the feeder or waterers out the other 2 coops. Definete multitaking going on. All of my feeder are big so I only have to add food every few days. For my big girls I have a 30 lb feeder, my roosters that will go to the freezer I have a 12 lb feeder and my 4 babies that I'm keeping have a 7 lb feeder. It last about 4-5 days. I usually add fresh water everyother day. So between just checking all the feeders and collecting egg doesn't take anytime at all. I fill my coop full of leaves in the spring (mom has someone to come bag hers up and I get about 40-50 bags a year) and it just steadily composts down to dirt. My coop never smells except when it rain cause everything in the run turns to a mucky mess!! My brooder that I keep my 4 in there never needs to be clean cause the poop just falls down through the hardware cloth. Everyonce in a while we shovel it up and put it in the compost bin. My nursery coop I just scrap all the poop out about once a week with an old dust pan and a hoe and throw it in the compost bin.

Just like beekissed I keep my feed in metal garbage cans right in my coop so easy access. I also keep a square bale of hay in the shed and when there nest boxes get dirty throw the old stuff oin the ground and put fresh stuff in there.

The only thing that is really time consuming is when I decided to improve on things by adding more dirt/sand etc. That's my choice to spend my time to do it they darn sure don't care if their slooping through the mud or not.

And like others said also I love my chickens and sometimes I just feel like being out in the coop so I'll rake clean nest boxes, etc. when thing really don't need to be done but it's my therapy.

Do I make money from my chickens? No. Do I spend my own money to buy there feed & treats? No. They truly pay for themselves!! Maybe one day I'll take it further since I have the acreage to do all kinds of things with it but working full time and then working an extra duty detail doesn't leave much for lots of other things!!

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You know I've considering doing this. Both my neighbors on each side of us have planted pines and I've been thinking about going to rake up a bunch of wheelbarrels full of pine needle but just easn't sure how it would work!! Now I know!
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Mmmm.. I think she meant pine shavings. The needles have so many oils they are highly allergenic to a lot of people, although your coop would smell like Christmas I don't think it's a good idea.
 
Pine bedding refers to pine shavings....not the needles!
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I don't know if they would have the same absorbancy and may be a little strong in resin or smell. Not sure.

Try it and see how they work...could be something to it!
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