WHy is it good to NOT CARE what others think?

[Rosalind]

Define "downward turn"? How can you tell what is a downward turn? How do you know that a law or a rule or a social more is just and ethical? Simply because it exists? Because the majority agrees on it? Because a guy in a funny hat says so? But in the past there have been many mores and laws that were not just or ethical, that were actively evil. Was it disrespectful to point out that they were wrong? The majorities at that time sure thought so!

Personally I find that an awful lot of people's attempts to get my attention lose their power the instant I stop paying attention. IOW, I've not got time in the day to worry overmuch about young men's drawers flapping about in the wind, I've got enough trouble minding my own drawers!

Wow, that sounded all wrong, didn't it...

People who end up in prison are most definitely bad, I can't imagine how you could think otherwise.

People who ended up in prison whose relative moral standing may be debatable but probably not considered "bad":

Jeshua bar Joseph (AKA Jesus)
Martin Luther King Jr.
Henry David Thoreau
Nelson Mandela
Salem witch trial victims
John Brown
Susan B Anthony
William Wallace
Rob Roy
Andrei Sakharov
Archbishop Desmond Tutu
Elie Wiesel
Aung San Suu Kyi
Wangari Maathai
Shirin Ebadi

You're saying all these people and their causes and the reasons they went to prison were Bad? Really?

Just out of curiosity, do schools teach ethics classes anymore? Or is that also a thing of the past?​

 

[Acre of Blessings]

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Terrilacy~~this comment is not aimed toward you, O.K. I just used a portion of what you said


Madonna has never and probably never will do anything that is moral and ethical.

 

[@migocontodos~]

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Through the years, I've read a lot of post from Terrie...
and finally I think one that is the best!

 

[Davaroo]

The overt sexualization of our children drives me crazy, but I'm told I'm a prude because I think that way. Is that an example of what you mean? Define your point a bit finer, please

Yes, that'll do as an explanation of point.

Again its not about you doing this or that... or Madonna, any other celeb or cause celebre.
Im surprised everyone keeps pinging on that issue. I dont give a flying flip if you ride a Harley, raise chickens or go to this church, or that one.

Rather, it's about accepting, even reinforcing, behavior that is ultimately destructive for both the individual and the soceity and calling it normal.
A guy named Jeff Cooper once said that (sic) the greatest folly of our age is we embrace whatever foolishness comes along and attempt to legitimize it.

In other words, it's about taking sides. At some point in time you must do so. That is how life is. You can't sit on the fence forever and watch what others do, thinking it doesn't affect you.

If you don't stand for what is right, then you fall for whatever comes along.


How was that? Did that help clarify my position?

 

[wendy]

Rebellion in a good form, aka Boston Tea Party, is a good thing.
Rebellion in a bad form, aka Madonna, is a bad thing.

Did anyone know that Madonna is really David Letterman's illegitamate daughter?
Just look at the gap between their teeth

that is to funny

 

[kinnip]

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I couldn't agree more! I'm with all the folks who say hurting others is wrong. Advocating the hurting of others is wrong. I just don't see how you can parlay Madonna's career into something that has hurt, or encouraged others to hurt, anyone. If it's just a matter of overt sexuality, at least it's not overt violence. Sex is natural and O.K., in fact, it can be downright healthy and pleasant. I don't remember her advocating rape, or even infidelity with her music. Have you ever read any of her lyrics? Sure, she dressed funny. I dressed funny too. Uncle Sam dresses and you like him. I just don't see where this "downward turn" you're talking about came into play.

Moreover, I don't think it's healthy to advocate the "taking of sides". The sentiment that "A protruding nail gets hammered down" is what has allowed all manner of totalitarian regimes to flourish. Can't we all just get along?

Edited to add: Vis a vis, the "pinging" on the Madonna point. You just can't bring into play an example of your grand point and then call foul when the arguement gets too hard to sustain.

 

[wendy]

I think in a way it is important to care what others think. But to not let it rule our lives either.
For instance, when Madonna's "like a virgin" song came out I heard it on the radio and turned it down so my mom would not hear it. I knew that was not the right kind of song to listen to because of the way I was raised in church.
But the SADDEST thing of all is that now that type of song is NOTHING compared to what they put out now.
Just like movies that say "pg-13" they really are more towards "R" with what I grew up with.
I am a mother of four ranging from 13 to 2 years old. It is scary what this world has changed into and we let it by not standing up for what is right and wrong and buying the crap these "artist" put out there via music, movies, tv, games, the sex on tv, movies, song lyrics, etc.

You may disagree with me

Wendy

 

[Break an Egg]

It's really all relative. There are morals that we should live by, but we all have the freedom to choose. I choose to break the law, or I choose not to. Now if breaking the law was possession of psilocybin mushrooms for personal use when I am 18, depending where I live, I can go to prison. I may not be a bad person. I may just want to try mushrooms. I also may go to prison. I may have not ever broken the law before.
I consider myself a good person. Do I care what people think of me? No, I only care what my daughter thinks of me, but I don't want or need to have a FTW attitude.

 

[Lunachick]

Happy Birthday Madonna! Who cares? Hahaha I beat her by two years!

Shouldn't that make me more special?

 

[holliewould]

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Ahh whatever Davaroo! She has earned herself enough money and fame to "F" "U" whenever she feels. I'm just a "career waitress" and have that same confidence. "F" "U" ....And I'm not even a half a century yet. I think there comes a point in time where you're entitled to be selfish. To begin with we are selfish at birth until our parents beat it out of us. Then we age being abused by entitlement junkies until we relocate or beat the crap out of our best friends. After that, we just simply flick everything off and drink a lot. She's just a famous talented older punk rocking blond mom is all.