Why NOT to mess with me or my Truck....
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This is wrong on so many levels. For one, you put your dog in a very dangerous position teaching her to be aggressive uncontained in the back of your vehicle. If she bites someone out in public, there will be consequences, and it won't be pretty. My dogs loudly and aggressively defend my vehicle, but they are ALWAYS crated for their safety and that of others.
I agree that the dog is working off fear and insecurity, not protection. You take that dog out of your truck, I could make it run in about 3 seconds.
A true confident protection dog would not be putzing around in the back of your truck in the face of a threat, it would be attached to the leg or arm of the threat with its canines buried up to the gums.
Besides that, how many people are going to come up to your truck and behave the way this guy was in the clip? Not many. Then you are laughing and encouraging this behavior. In a real situation, your dog will smell your fear and adrenaline, and it's a whole different ball game.
I don't do a lot of protection work with my dogs, but all my adult dogs have been tested in real life type situations so that they, and I, understand how they will react if the doo doo ever gets deep. Otherwise, if there is not a threat present, I expect my dogs to be friendly and well mannered.
I agree that the dog is working off fear and insecurity, not protection. You take that dog out of your truck, I could make it run in about 3 seconds.
A true confident protection dog would not be putzing around in the back of your truck in the face of a threat, it would be attached to the leg or arm of the threat with its canines buried up to the gums.
Besides that, how many people are going to come up to your truck and behave the way this guy was in the clip? Not many. Then you are laughing and encouraging this behavior. In a real situation, your dog will smell your fear and adrenaline, and it's a whole different ball game.
I don't do a lot of protection work with my dogs, but all my adult dogs have been tested in real life type situations so that they, and I, understand how they will react if the doo doo ever gets deep. Otherwise, if there is not a threat present, I expect my dogs to be friendly and well mannered.
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Why do most dogs bite? Fear
OP I think Trixie will be a great deterent. Well done. She has such potential for further deeper training...she listens to & loves you and that is half the battle right there.
Why do most dogs bite? Fear
OP I think Trixie will be a great deterent. Well done. She has such potential for further deeper training...she listens to & loves you and that is half the battle right there.
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Now what is wrong with those two contrary statements in bold?
As to crating the dogs....what the heck is the use? If I wished to vandalize a vehicle and the dogs were aggressively barking etc etc and in crates....what would stop me? However, one that was barking and lunging and NOT Contained would stop me. That is the point of protecting ... deter first, attack and subdue second.
Now what is wrong with those two contrary statements in bold?
As to crating the dogs....what the heck is the use? If I wished to vandalize a vehicle and the dogs were aggressively barking etc etc and in crates....what would stop me? However, one that was barking and lunging and NOT Contained would stop me. That is the point of protecting ... deter first, attack and subdue second.
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My dogs are in crates in my vehicle for their own safety. I can take care of myself.
When I say a threat, I mean someone who is a direct and clear threat to my personal safety. My dogs are bomb proof in any social situation. They are also not left unsecured in open vehicles, which they fervently and directly intend to protect, for their own safety, and the safety of others.
I've owned and handled Rottweilers for over 20 years and I have never had a single incident with my dogs. I've also never had anything taken out of a vehicle that I had dogs in, crated, or not.
When I say a threat, I mean someone who is a direct and clear threat to my personal safety. My dogs are bomb proof in any social situation. They are also not left unsecured in open vehicles, which they fervently and directly intend to protect, for their own safety, and the safety of others.
I've owned and handled Rottweilers for over 20 years and I have never had a single incident with my dogs. I've also never had anything taken out of a vehicle that I had dogs in, crated, or not.
FWIW i have pit bulls and only one is PP trained. . . and it is because she has that edge to her that I wanted to get a FIRM grasp on before she went off the deep end and bit someone. I'd never tell her to get anything. . . .period. My other ones "get" things all the time... in play. they wouldnt bite unless SERIOUSLY prevoked and im pretty sure only one of the three would. My dog who WOULD and has shown to be protective is always crated when we have people over, regardless of who and is NEVER left outside/in a vehicle unattended. . . because I know if she bites someone it jeopardizes our entire family unit, not just her life.
I'd find a trainer, because it seems to me your going to have a big mess on your hands when someone walks to close to your truck and shes in it. The continued looking back at you during the 'attack' shows she's not comfortable.
I'd find a trainer, because it seems to me your going to have a big mess on your hands when someone walks to close to your truck and shes in it. The continued looking back at you during the 'attack' shows she's not comfortable.
What I saw in the video was a type of confused play I heard a woman (you) playing at needing protection, I heard a guy playing at aggression, I saw a confused dog not sure of what she should do, trying to play along with the people. Mostly I hear this in the tone her bark it is not the bark of a dog sure of itself she does not know if she is playing or protecting and her confusion is being praised. Not the pitch of her bark that is heeler I have one in the pack.
I am sure she does protect you, she looks heeler and it comes naturally to most to be a bit leery of people not in their pack. Nipping to biting is also natural for them, this is how they instinctually move recalcitrant large livestock.
Having large, naturally protective dogs (Filas and Corsos) we have worked with an agitator, and have to agree with the others that this type of play/training you are doing in the video does not build protection/guardian confidence nor experience.
Please for your dogs sake, be careful.
I am sure she does protect you, she looks heeler and it comes naturally to most to be a bit leery of people not in their pack. Nipping to biting is also natural for them, this is how they instinctually move recalcitrant large livestock.
Having large, naturally protective dogs (Filas and Corsos) we have worked with an agitator, and have to agree with the others that this type of play/training you are doing in the video does not build protection/guardian confidence nor experience.
Please for your dogs sake, be careful.
i had a friend who rescued a dog from a bad situation who was trained simaler to this we were playing soccer and he was walking te dog one of my friends fell near him while falling and he attacked him
Yes all I can imagine after watching the video is that dog jumping someone who is playing with you out in the yard because of your laughing and playfulness while training.
You do not need to set up 'mock' scenarios without a trainer!!!!! This dog is seriously confused and scared - and you are in the wrong to promote this kind of behavior in her. If you continue this kind of unsupervised training without you being A. calm and self assured, or B. getting yourself hyped up to simulate a fear situation that dog is going to go off like a rocket on someone who is playing football with you in your backyard. It is dangerous to train a dog in protection without proper supervision through any senario/situation training. What you need to do at home is work on sit, stay, down, forward, recall, and release. You should invest in a sleeve or make one yourself and then seek a trainer's help and assistance on how to train her from there.
If you want a stable minded protector DO NOT EVER EVER EVER let someone provoke her like that again, and you need to stay CALM and SERIOUS throughout a situation unless you are trying to emulate a fear situation to gauge her reaction. All you honestly are creating at this point is a fearful confused dog that is going to bite someone for the wrong reason.
You do not need to set up 'mock' scenarios without a trainer!!!!! This dog is seriously confused and scared - and you are in the wrong to promote this kind of behavior in her. If you continue this kind of unsupervised training without you being A. calm and self assured, or B. getting yourself hyped up to simulate a fear situation that dog is going to go off like a rocket on someone who is playing football with you in your backyard. It is dangerous to train a dog in protection without proper supervision through any senario/situation training. What you need to do at home is work on sit, stay, down, forward, recall, and release. You should invest in a sleeve or make one yourself and then seek a trainer's help and assistance on how to train her from there.
If you want a stable minded protector DO NOT EVER EVER EVER let someone provoke her like that again, and you need to stay CALM and SERIOUS throughout a situation unless you are trying to emulate a fear situation to gauge her reaction. All you honestly are creating at this point is a fearful confused dog that is going to bite someone for the wrong reason.
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I agree,,she looks like she is showing fear to me..maybe get her to a real trainer for security and k-9 dogs and work with them,,you will get a much more sane and stable dog then..I dont mind a dog that thinks for itself,but they need to be trained how to react in those situations.
nope..there are no simple ways around a dog with fear..you need to work on her confidence first,,basic OB, a solid recall,down,stay, heel..also try agility,GREAT confidence builder,and she is a heeler,get her on some livestock with a tranier,my GSD heels when I am riding horse,he is a PP trained dog,I absolutly trust him with anyone,I never bait him into protecting me,I never tell him to dirsch unless in a controlled invironment with my trainers..you must work on confidence first,,I would give your dog a year off of PP training,work on building her confidence and then see where you are at..my dogs ride inside my truck with me,never in the back.anyone can walk by my vehical,I dont believe I have ever had anyone try to get inside..
I agree,,she looks like she is showing fear to me..maybe get her to a real trainer for security and k-9 dogs and work with them,,you will get a much more sane and stable dog then..I dont mind a dog that thinks for itself,but they need to be trained how to react in those situations.
nope..there are no simple ways around a dog with fear..you need to work on her confidence first,,basic OB, a solid recall,down,stay, heel..also try agility,GREAT confidence builder,and she is a heeler,get her on some livestock with a tranier,my GSD heels when I am riding horse,he is a PP trained dog,I absolutly trust him with anyone,I never bait him into protecting me,I never tell him to dirsch unless in a controlled invironment with my trainers..you must work on confidence first,,I would give your dog a year off of PP training,work on building her confidence and then see where you are at..my dogs ride inside my truck with me,never in the back.anyone can walk by my vehical,I dont believe I have ever had anyone try to get inside..
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