Why so many new variety projects, but no new breed projects?

[big medicine]

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Its rather simple... money. People aren't genuinely interested in poultry varieties, so much as they are the money that those varieties bring. Pick a breed and throw the word 'lavender' in front of it, and watch the dollar signs fly. No one is interested in creating a new breed, they are interested in creating a new income. Everyone is always trying to develop the 'next best thing' to make a buck, instead of doing it for the pure pleasure and enjoyment of poultry itself. The Europeans have so many more varieties because they have a genuine interest in the science of the hobby. They dont care how much one variety costs over the other.

Your painting with a pretty broad brush there, ain't ya partner? I can steer you to some folks on here that have invested many years, and untold tons of feed, developing birds here that they do not have have in Europe. If money was the motivation, we would have quit long ago, as I will never recoup what I have put in to it.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Your painting with a pretty broad brush there, ain't ya partner? I can steer you to some folks on here that have invested many years, and untold tons of feed, developing birds here that they do not have have in Europe. If money was the motivation, we would have quit long ago, as I will never recoup what I have put in to it.

I think at $650.25 per dozen eggs with $20.00 shipping added, you are on your way to recouping expenses.
No doubt, they are worth every penny. I'm curious what justified charging $20.00 shipping?

Lisa​

 

[TK Poultry]

I still think in most cases that we are still trying to catch up to the varieties they have in Europe. I think money is a motivator, we dont have it to spend on importation so we just make our own. Good ol' American ingenuity! Look at all the varieties they have! I think that is the motivator, but what do I know

 

[Chicken_Lover4567]

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I think at $650.25 per dozen eggs with $20.00 shipping added, you are on your way to recouping expenses.
No doubt, they are worth every penny. I'm curious what justified charging $20.00 shipping?

Lisa

Woah. Those are some beautiful chickens! Expensive yes...especially since you never really know how good your hatch rate is gonna be...but BEAUTIFUL birds.

 

[big medicine]

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I think at $650.25 per dozen eggs with $20.00 shipping added, you are on your way to recouping expenses.
No doubt, they are worth every penny. I'm curious what justified charging $20.00 shipping?

Lisa

I spend over $100 a week in feed right now, will go up as the chicks grow out. Prior to this year my only incoming funds was selling culls for backyard layers, or freezer birds at a few dollars a head, and eating eggs. Now figure that back over 20 years.


Priority mail 3 lbs. 12.40 oz. $8.60
Delivery confirmation $0.70
Insurance $700.00 $8.70
Total shipping $18.00

Plus packing peanuts, bubble wrap, packing tape, scotch tape, paper towels.
Not counting about two hours of my time re-enforcing the box, individually wrapping each egg, driving to the Post office, let alone gas.

 

[TK Poultry]

I charge $15.50 for shipping! Its so that I can pay the $10.70 shipping plus supplies! it expensive! But I only spend $13.04 a week on feed luckily it might go up a bit when I start hatching again

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Priority mail 3 lbs. 12.40 oz. $8.60
Delivery confirmation $0.70
Insurance $700.00 $8.70
Total shipping $18.00

Hi! Didn't think of insurance. That was a necessity.

Lisa​

 

[Goose and Fig]

For example, instead of adding the Lavender color to other breeds, why not work on a dual purpose breed where the Lavender color is its distinguishing characteristic? Not bashing, just wondering and trying to understand.

I'm growing out my own line of EEs- using ameraucana roos and heavy layers like orps & cochins. I guess hoping for a dual-purpose EE. So far the chicks are huge and are growing much faster than thier pure bred ancestors. The colored egg gene is a bonus

I did try to get a hatch of all blues, but only boys hatched. Maybe in the spring....

I'm trying to get bantam rumpless EEs as well- for those situations where you want the variety of colors & eggs, but don't have a lot of space.​

 

[Poulets De Cajun]

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Well thats great! But you, and those 'some' are only a very, very select few who are putting effort into development. Birds and eggs dont sell for hundreds, and thousands of dollars because people are genuinely interested in breeding and development. Birds and eggs sell for that much because people want the 'brand', to be able to sell their stock from "so and so's lines," and to be able to take home the blue ribbon at any cost. Buying is easier than developing, and with more buyers than developers, its quite easy to see why Europeans have more breeds/varieties.

 

[TK Poultry]

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Well thats great! But you, and those 'some' are only a very, very select few who are putting effort into development. Birds and eggs dont sell for hundreds, and thousands of dollars because people are genuinely interested in breeding and development. Birds and eggs sell for that much because people want the 'brand', to be able to sell their stock from "so and so's lines," and to be able to take home the blue ribbon at any cost. Buying is easier than developing, and with more buyers than developers, its quite easy to see why Europeans have more breeds/varieties.

but in come cases you have to have the right clay to mold certain things, so in other words you have to look everywhere to find what you desire and then develope from there and mold the bought birds into what you want. That is what I do. I buy and then I get what I desire out of my offspring quicker. I build my progress by using others bricks if that makes any sense at all! Like my Ameraucanas, I have a really nice rooster but wish his tail carriage was a bit higher, so I went and bought a hen that carriage was to high to get the offspring *I* want for showing.