Why soy free?? (And the effects of soy)

[bibliophile birds]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

I am not a fan of Monsanto's consolidation of small seed companies, HOWEVER, without the Round Up Ready technology I would NOT be crop farming today. The ability to completely operate our crop farm as a no-till operation relies on the use of Round-Up or the sister Liberty Link (gluphosinate). I don't have the time to "walk beans" and the labor pool doesn't exist either.

Jim

Jim, i am more than happy to see people farming. i'm glad that RR seeds are allowing you to do that. there is no doubt that this is the case for some. i just don't think it will remain that way for long. do you not feel the market pressure to grow more and more? how will you cope with that? what happens to you and your farm if the RR seeds fail?

i'm not trying to be confrontational with people. this is just an actual worry that i have after personally seeing several good farmers (here and abroad) loose their livelihoods because of this.​

 

[CARS]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

I don't have the time to "walk beans" and the labor pool doesn't exist either.

Jim

Jim, that is the biggest problem I have with roundup ready crops. When I was a kid, I worked all summer walking beans. As a teen I sat on a bean rider/bar squirting weeds with roundup.

Today, my kids grump about taking out the trash or making their bed. Without small jobs like I had as a child and teen I would not have good work ethics or a car that I payed for when I was 16.

There is very little for kids to do in a rural area to earn money and gain life long work ethics. Be it roundup ready seed or large bales that are stacked by a forklift, there is very little for a kid to do on the farm. At least not like there was when I was younger.

All of what I said is very arguable, but not meant to be argued here. It's just how I feel after looking back at my past, looking at the present, and foreseeing my kid's future. Hence, all the bold "I's"​

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Anyone in any business feels the pressure to produce more. We are not immune to it and are planning to doulbe our acreage next year just as we did this year. This will allow us to utilize better technology and equipment.

How would a RR crop fail and a non-GMO wouldn't? Outside of the tolerance to one chemical compound my crops are still at the mercy of Mother Nature.

Jim

 

[CARS]

What's up with the double post's lately?? Sorry.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Jim, that is the biggest problem I have with roundup ready crops. When I was a kid, I worked all summer walking beans. As a teen I sat on a bean rider/bar squirting weeds with roundup.

Today, my kids grump about taking out the trash or making their bed. Without small jobs like I had as a child and teen I would not have good work ethics or a car that I payed for when I was 16.

There is very little for kids to do in a rural area to earn money and gain life long work ethics. Be it roundup ready seed or large bales that are stacked by a forklift, there is very little for a kid to do on the farm. At least not like there was when I was younger.

All of what I said is very arguable, but not meant to be argued here. It's just how I feel after looking back at my past, looking at the present, and foreseeing my kid's future. Hence, all the bold "I's"

I understand your frustration with the demise of employment opportunites for adolescents in rural communities.

We have chosen to build thos opportunities internally for our children. Both my daughter and son know that when they reach 13 they will ahve the opportunity to raise their own crops on a field that we will rent to them. They will also have to opportunity to be employees of our custom haying operation.

Jim

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Farming is a business, if you don't make profitable decisions then your business will fail.

 

[CARS]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Jim, that is the biggest problem I have with roundup ready crops. When I was a kid, I worked all summer walking beans. As a teen I sat on a bean rider/bar squirting weeds with roundup.

Today, my kids grump about taking out the trash or making their bed. Without small jobs like I had as a child and teen I would not have good work ethics or a car that I payed for when I was 16.

There is very little for kids to do in a rural area to earn money and gain life long work ethics. Be it roundup ready seed or large bales that are stacked by a forklift, there is very little for a kid to do on the farm. At least not like there was when I was younger.

All of what I said is very arguable, but not meant to be argued here. It's just how I feel after looking back at my past, looking at the present, and foreseeing my kid's future. Hence, all the bold "I's"

I understand your frustration with the demise of employment opportunites for adolescents in rural communities.

We have chosen to build thos opportunities internally for our children. Both my daughter and son know that when they reach 13 they will ahve the opportunity to raise their own crops on a field that we will rent to them. They will also have to opportunity to be employees of our custom haying operation.

Jim​

I have farming friends that have done the same. Good for you. But I am "off" the farm and me, wife and kids live in the country on an "acreage", hence there is nothing for them to do

I was really hoping the chicken venture, as small as it may be, would make an impression on them. An hopefully it will. But it isn't going to give them many opportunities.

 

[West Central MO]

Well, I see it is off and going again. Good. I enjoy these types of discussions.

Jim - I agree 100% about walking beans. I doubt many of the anti - Monsanto people know much about it.

Biblio....think about this, I keep hearing you state farmers are getting into trouble for pollenation from neighbors crops - a simple genetic test of root or stock would eliminate this factor as poliination is needed only for the flowering hence the fruit and would not be found. Your arguments about farmers claiming this is ridiculous and would quickly be eliminated. THERE would be no RR traits in non roundup ready seeds planted. Impossible.

 

[fancbrd4me02]

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I think it's when the RR genes polinate say a corn crop, (Corn pollen can travel pretty far) the seeds are saved and then the seeds from the crop unkowingly pollinated with the RR are planted that something like this happens.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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That may happen, but only Open Pollinated corn would be affected since commercial field corn raised by farmers are hybrids.

Soybeans are another story since many farmers in the past cleaned their own soybean seeds for planting subsequent crops. The RR ready technology has put an end to that. Even without the RR technology I prefer to purchase all of my seed needs since I get a better genetic package from seed companies.

The RR1 Patent expires soon so saving of RR seed may occur in the future.

Jim