Why soy free?? (And the effects of soy)

[chickerdoodle]

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Ditto on that too.

"soya beans have one of the highest phytic acid levels of any grain or legume that has been studied.(14) This is important because phytic acid binds with minerals to form phytates that are not absorbed from the intestine. This leads to a wide range of nutritional deficiency diseases. The mineral most affected by soya is zinc. (15) Soya-based infant formula is particularly harmful because zinc is needed for proper development and functioning of the brain and nervous system. It also plays a role in protein synthesis and collagen formation; it is involved in the blood-sugar control mechanism and thus protects against diabetes; it is needed for a healthy reproductive system. Zinc is a key component in numerous vital enzymes and plays a role in the immune system."
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/no-joy.html

And as for the global warming... that is a complete hoax. The dangers of soy are not.

I agree with the soy being dangerous, but I respectfully disagree about global warming. I have a strong science background and am able to see both sides of the argument. Global warming is cyclic BUT is made worse by man's doings--why speed it up? It is also better to not waste energy and save natural resources as they are not endless. The ozone layer is critical and should be saved--if lost or weakened cancers become prevalent (melanoma for one has been on the rise in young people). (Couldn't help myself rant

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Back to the subject--I am lucky as our local Urban Farm Store has locally (well, one ingredient is from a neighbor state) grown soy free organic feed of excellent quality. I plan on using it even though its a bit more expensive to buy. I hope I will see it also works out to really cost less than the standard fare as my dog food does for our dogs. I feed my dogs EVO--it is $52 for 28 lbs but in the long run my dogs are healthy, have gorgeous coats, have super energy levels and actually eat less of it. It is not cheaper dollar for dollar unless you see how much you save in health care. Perhaps in chickens the savings is OUR health as well as the chickens!

 

[gamebirdsonly]

Soy Bad and Global warming it is a cycle and man has nothing to do with it.

 

[PaulaJoAnne]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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He is more then very profitable. Show me a conventional farmer that is making $3,000 per acre like he is!

I have two customers that raise only pigs, nothing else. They own 10 acres on which they have two barns that house a total of 10,0000 pigs at a time which equates to 22,000 pigs marketed per year. They have cleared an average profit the past 4 years of $11 per pig which equates to $242,000 per year or $24,200 per acre.

Jim​

Yes, but what are his losses, and what are his vet bills like? Never mind the amount of antibiotics that must be used daily.
And what in the world do they do with all the antibiotic and disease riddled manure?
Therein is a huge difference.
When Joel's pig grower counterpart in MO (will find name if you like) switched to pastured pigs, his vet dill dropped from thousands per month, to just $18. In the first month.

Again, diversity is needed. Suppose your pig farmers were to get some disease that spread like wildfire, and killed off his pigs, what are they left with?
A farmer that is diverse, and raises several kinds of crops, and has dairy cows, cattle, pigs and chickens, would do far better in that kind of circumstance.
Commercial farming has caused the agrarian lifestyle to all but disapear.
That is a far bigger loss then most can imagine.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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I have two customers that raise only pigs, nothing else. They own 10 acres on which they have two barns that house a total of 10,0000 pigs at a time which equates to 22,000 pigs marketed per year. They have cleared an average profit the past 4 years of $11 per pig which equates to $242,000 per year or $24,200 per acre.

Jim

Yes, but what are his losses, and what are his vet bills like? Never mind the amount of antibiotics that must be used daily.
And what in the world do they do with all the antibiotic and disease riddled manure?
Therein is a huge difference.
When Joel's pig grower counterpart in MO (will find name if you like) switched to pastured pigs, his vet dill dropped from thousands per month, to just $18. In the first month.

Again, diversity is needed. Suppose your pig farmers were to get some disease that spread like wildfire, and killed off his pigs, what are they left with?
A farmer that is diverse, and raises several kinds of crops, and has dairy cows, cattle, pigs and chickens, would do far better in that kind of circumstance.
Commercial farming has caused the agrarian lifestyle to all but disapear.
That is a far bigger loss then most can imagine.

That was $11 per pig PROFIT!

I agree about diversity, but that was not a variable in your first question.

Jim

 

[PaulaJoAnne]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Yes, but what are his losses, and what are his vet bills like? Never mind the amount of antibiotics that must be used daily.
And what in the world do they do with all the antibiotic and disease riddled manure?
Therein is a huge difference.
When Joel's pig grower counterpart in MO (will find name if you like) switched to pastured pigs, his vet dill dropped from thousands per month, to just $18. In the first month.

Again, diversity is needed. Suppose your pig farmers were to get some disease that spread like wildfire, and killed off his pigs, what are they left with?
A farmer that is diverse, and raises several kinds of crops, and has dairy cows, cattle, pigs and chickens, would do far better in that kind of circumstance.
Commercial farming has caused the agrarian lifestyle to all but disapear.
That is a far bigger loss then most can imagine.

That was $11 per pig PROFIT!

I agree about diversity, but that was not a variable in your first question.

Jim​

And what is the quality of the meat?
Compared to pastured meat?
What is the rate of E Coli?

$11 profit, but at what cost?

 

[CARS]

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That is really opinion. I know a few people that don't like the flavor of my eggs (too rich). It doesn't mean I am doing anything wrong, does it??

 

[PaulaJoAnne]

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That is really opinion. I know a few people that don't like the flavor of my eggs (too rich). It doesn't mean I am doing anything wrong, does it??

I'ts time that we no longer had to worry about meat that has been bathed in antibiotics during life, due to chronic disease, and then bathed in Ammonia and who know what else, just to make it "safe" for market.
Thats what I meant.
Sorry for being short answered. I am trying to do several things at once....

 

[fancbrd4me02]

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That is really opinion. I know a few people that don't like the flavor of my eggs (too rich). It doesn't mean I am doing anything wrong, does it??

I agree with abouve to a point, BUT people are used to bland factory meat, so they might not have a sophisticated palatte.

If farmers are feeding everyone by using chemicals that ultimately poison the planet and give everyone cancer, than ultimately the cost of thier "profits" are bourne by the people and animals. Many of the products used for agricultural operations today in the US, (be it pork, soy or some other crop) are known carcinegens. Like the animals stuffed into giant factory farms, we are offered little or no choice about how are food is made and should consider ourselves "lucky" enough to be able to enjoy toxic food at an affordable price that still gives farmers and corporations profits. Soy as it is currently marketed and promated is not the health food that people think it is. However, not much of the food in a grocery store is healthy, nutritious or free from toxins either.

 

[BlackBart]

Biblio said.

i, for one, know first hand that soy is NOT good for people with thyroid problems, having suffered from it for the past 15 years. my medications were never effective enough and regulating my hormone levels was impossible. almost as soon as i eliminated soy from my diet, at my doctors request, my natural hormone levels improved and my medications started actually do what they were supposed to do. that was enough for me.

Ditto but try to find a Doctor that believes this. You are one of the lucky ones who has a open minded Doctor.
Lots of Doctors are telling pre-menopausal woman to eat soy products and they end up feeling worse than before. Its a catch 22.
Doctors are telling woman that hormone thyroid replacement will make their bones brittle but in fact it is synthetic thyroid that makes your bones brittle. Add soy on top of that and I don't think it is a good combination.
I am sure the studies on Soy will continue with information supporting both the pros and cons but we should look to our fellow humans that have eaten soy for centuries. They eat fermented Soy.

Some Equine nutritionists are supporting the cons of soy when it comes to feeding horses.

 

[Organics North]

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Sorry,.
I need to respectfully disagree with the quoted statement.

1. This planet has X amount of carbon on it. (No one bringing it or taking it from outer space hey....?)
2. We pump out oil, coal and natural gas from deep beneath the surface. (Which is made of abundant vegetation that grew during one of earths natural warming periods.

It would seem like unlocking all that carbon in the oil, gas, and coal we burn would have some effect?? How much me don't know...?

Sure global warming is a cycle that has occurred in the past with out mans influence. Do our actions contribute? I sure do not feel comfortable saying or thinking "man has nothing to do with it"!

How this relates to the topic of Soybeans: Once we stop subsidization of the oil industry the price of fuel will rise sharply. Making locally grown foods on small farms, with natural fertilizers cost competitive. Hence doing away with massive scale energy intensive farming. Making our Nation like it was for most of its 230+ years of existence. This large scale farm mono cropping is a new phenomena, personally I am not sure if it is "healthy"..

One would think this recession would remind everyone that unlimited upward growth (Bigger fields, bigger equipment and bigger bills fueling the need for yet again bigger profit which leads to bigger fields, bigger equipment and bigger bills has limits!) It is not sustainable!
Mono cropping is a gamble, never know when it will go bust!.. Fine to gamble, but I don't want to hear any crying saying "We are all going to starve and the tax payers better bail us out" bla bla bla stuff, like the fat bankers just pulled on us.
Just My Opinion.
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