Will a BB RED game banty crossed w. a MOTTLED=SPECKLED SUSSEX

[chickenreyna]

Looking offspring?? Not the breed but a similar pattern to a SPECKLED susseX, if that makes sense.

And if so, how long will it take to show spots? Awhile like it takes a mottled breed?

Heads up, I'm asking BC My Mother in law she seems to think a bb red game crossed with A Japanese mottled hen will create what I mentioned above..

 

[Pekin747]

Dont know how ud get it but when she gets her adult feathers they will show the spots if.they will ahev them

 

[Pyxis]

Mottling is recessive, so no, the first cross, the chicks will have no mottling at all. First gen chicks would be solid black, perhaps with some red color leakage. If you crossed those chicks back together, you'd start getting some mottled chicks and some chicks with colors other than black, but they still wouldn't be the color that speckled sussex are.

Edit: Was thinking of the wrong color pattern, edited that out. You still won't get the specked sussex color breeding these two birds together, however.

 

[chickenreyna]

Mottling is recessive, so no, the first cross, the chicks will have no mottling at all. First gen chicks would be solid black, perhaps with some red color leakage. If you crossed those chicks back together, you'd start getting some mottled chicks and some chicks with colors other than black, but they still wouldn't be spangled, which is the pattern that speckled sussex are. For spangled, you need lacing, and neither of those parents in the first cross are laced.

Were I to try to create a spangled bird from other colors, I would start with a gold laced bird and a black mottled bird, cross those, breed the resulting chicks together, select the chicks from that breeding which are incomplete spangled, and then breed those together and repeat until the pattern was correct.

Spangled is the term, i couldn't think of for life of me but yes i recall it being the same look in the speck sussex, Thank you for taking time and explaining and making me remember the term, SPANGLED

 

[The Moonshiner]

I thought SS were just red columbian with mottling?
What effect does the lacing have or why is it needed?

 

[nicalandia]

Looking offspring?? Not the breed but a similar pattern to a SPECKLED susseX, if that makes sense.

And if so, how long will it take to show spots? Awhile like it takes a mottled breed?

Heads up, I'm asking BC My Mother in law she seems to think a bb red game crossed with A Japanese mottled hen will create what I mentioned above..

BBR OEG Genotype for the pattern: e+/e+, co+/co+, ml+/ml+, Mo+/Mo+
Mottled Japanese Genotype for the pattern: E/E, co+/co+, Ml/Ml, mo/mo

The resulting cross will be(F1s) E/e+, co+/co+, Ml/ml+, Mo+/mo = Self Black bird with some gold leakage.

Speckled Sussex Genotype for the pattern: e+/e+, Co/Co, ml+/ml+, mo/mo(basically a Red Sussex with recessive mottling, according to the SOP)

So even if you cross the F1s together, the closest you will get to the pattern is a Black Breasted Red bird with mottling, in the game circles this is called Spangling(not true spangling genetically, but that is the name it's been given to them.


From "The Mating and Breeding of Poultry" by Harry M. Lamon (Author), Rob R. Slocum (Author) 1920







https://archive.org/stream/matingbreedingof00lamo#page/222/mode/2up

 

[chickenreyna]

Thanks so for taking the time to explain thoroughly to me.

Appreciate it greatly!