Sounds like I need 2 mules and 2 goats then.
Wisconsin "Cheeseheads"
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I know we are all animal lovers here, & a lot of you are horse owners so I thought you might be interested in this link. It is from the ASPCA Advocacy Center so that WI residents can call or email our U.S. senators to urge them to cosponsor and support the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act. After reading this, it just made me sick. I can't believe in this day & age that this kind of thing would still be going on. So if you are interested, please visit this link. They already have a prewritten e-mail message filled out. You just have to enter your name & address. Thanks!
http://www.capwiz.com/aspca/issues/alert/?alertid=53486856&type=CO
Introduced in June by Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA), the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act (S. 1176) would prohibit the interstate/international transport and transfer of ownership of any equine intended for slaughter for human consumption. If passed, this bill will finally stop the flow of U.S. horses into Mexico and Canada, where they are processed for their meat and eaten overseas.
Americans don't raise horses as food and we don't eat them. Sadly, even though the last horse slaughter plants in the U.S. were closed in 2007, American horses are still being shipped over our borders for slaughter in Canada and Mexico.
The American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act would end this gruesome practice by prohibiting the transport of our horses for slaughter for human consumption. One quarter of the U.S. Senate now supports this legislationwe need to get a majority of the Senate to cosponsor it. Please help us!
http://www.capwiz.com/aspca/issues/alert/?alertid=53486856&type=CO
Introduced in June by Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA), the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act (S. 1176) would prohibit the interstate/international transport and transfer of ownership of any equine intended for slaughter for human consumption. If passed, this bill will finally stop the flow of U.S. horses into Mexico and Canada, where they are processed for their meat and eaten overseas.
Americans don't raise horses as food and we don't eat them. Sadly, even though the last horse slaughter plants in the U.S. were closed in 2007, American horses are still being shipped over our borders for slaughter in Canada and Mexico.
The American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act would end this gruesome practice by prohibiting the transport of our horses for slaughter for human consumption. One quarter of the U.S. Senate now supports this legislationwe need to get a majority of the Senate to cosponsor it. Please help us!
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Good evening from the land of the overworked and underpaid!
Hope everyone is well, skimmed the past few pages, gave up any hope of getting "caught up" ....
Have to agree with Jim about everything that "could" go wrong with our critters... it's like everything else in life, just because it "could" happen doesn't mean it will.
Thanks for sharing the link CC, I'll certainly sign that!
Been working my butt off between the two jobs and researching the things I'll need to get my greeting card biz off the ground, which leaves little time for sleep, let alone anything else, like keeping caught up here, spending time with the hubby, etc. DH left today for two weeks, which is the only reason I'm able to get on tonight. Because I'm working so much he's a bit testy about me getting on the computer and not hanging out with him... all his moaning about me not working enough hours is biting him in the behind right now!
Like they say, be careful what you wish for.... you just might get it!
Well, off to do a little more research and check in with my daughter, take care all...
Deb
Hope everyone is well, skimmed the past few pages, gave up any hope of getting "caught up" ....
Have to agree with Jim about everything that "could" go wrong with our critters... it's like everything else in life, just because it "could" happen doesn't mean it will.
Thanks for sharing the link CC, I'll certainly sign that!
Been working my butt off between the two jobs and researching the things I'll need to get my greeting card biz off the ground, which leaves little time for sleep, let alone anything else, like keeping caught up here, spending time with the hubby, etc. DH left today for two weeks, which is the only reason I'm able to get on tonight. Because I'm working so much he's a bit testy about me getting on the computer and not hanging out with him... all his moaning about me not working enough hours is biting him in the behind right now!
Well, off to do a little more research and check in with my daughter, take care all...
Deb
What to do then with the ill/lame/old/unwanted horses? They will be turned loose, or left to starve. I did not feel this way 10 years ago, but every animal can be eaten for food, it's just cultural differences that dictate what is acceptable. What do folks in India think of us eating cows? I'd much rather the laws change to make slaughter humane and as painfree as possible, because banning it outright has inadvertently caused more problems.
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Evening all good people
Thanks for all the prayers and good wishes sent my way. The Dr. feels the surgery is a success even tho' Suzie is typing this for me ( hi all
My sight isn't good enough to read yet so Suzie (me) read 10 pages of posts.
I have another Dr. appt on Friday, so i'm hoping for good news.
Jim i'm glad you like white bass too!
FT Yup Bigzio was my light brahma rooster. And he's my avatar
Sorry for all the losses, that part really sucks.
Glad you stopped by FM.
Good to hear you has a good time up north Dr H
Hey TO, We got our first blue egg from the blue women today!
They are 24 weeks today.
How about those Packers!!!
Tonight it's tacos!!
Stay safe, have fun!!
Bigz
Jim i'm glad you like white bass too!
FT Yup Bigzio was my light brahma rooster. And he's my avatar
Sorry for all the losses, that part really sucks.
Glad you stopped by FM.
Good to hear you has a good time up north Dr H
Hey TO, We got our first blue egg from the blue women today!
How about those Packers!!!
Tonight it's tacos!!
Stay safe, have fun!!
Bigz
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I'm wondering the same thing! We want to get a horse and a mule but it sounds like anything and everything can hurt or kill a horse! Maybe I just need to get goats again. They were easy.
That's what I thought when I got goats !! But after reading up on them they can have just as many problems.
Knock on wood I haven't had any...YET !!
I found an old horse Illustrated magazine that explains the grass founder issues. It explains it very well however it is from 2007. I know there has been alot of research since and I did get an email from a very savvy horse friend a while ago about it. I will look it up later today.
Bottom line is of course the overweight easy keepers, older cushings,insulin resistent horses as are drafts, morgans, arabians and donkeys but any horse can founder.
The article gave an example of 2 younger arabians that foundered and the older arabian and another overweight horse didn't.
The newest research from my understanding (will do more reading) is the cooler weather grasses make them more likely to founder. It is the high fructan levels that are in the grass as different times of the day. Testing the grass is not a way to avoid the problem since the fructan levels change depending on the weather, night time temperatures etc. If night time temperatures fall below 40 degrees and the days are hot and sunny the high levels of fructan stay in the grass. So spring and fall are the worst times. Figures I just get the pasture done. But the nights haven't dipped that low yet TG !!
Also stress like drought, over eating pasture can change the levels as well, not in our favor !!
And the list goes on and on. So if the night time temps have stayed above 40 degrees, the days are cooler and cloudy I think it will be safer to let them out. For short times. I'm also going to let them out after they've eaten hay (WCC and TO correct me if I'm wrong please, or anyone else for that matter). If it gets to the hindgut to soon it will ferment there and cause the endotoxins to enter the blood. The endotoxins affect the cadiovascular system, restricing the flow of oxygen and nutrients to the feet.........................and so on !!!
So, with that said, I think I'll have to get up early in the mornings to let them out for a very short time. And not at all when the night time temps get to low !!! GEEZZZ More and more homework to do, Never a dull moment hey ???????
Then of course there are the toxic weeds you need to watch out for. I have milk weed up here, dog bane and choke cherry trees !!!!
I'll try to find the article and post for anyone else.
PS My neighbors horses are out on pasture 365 and no problems, that isn't my luck. Plus they have been on so long that there are alot of weeds. She just says they build up an immunity (sp) to the toxic weeds !!!!
I gave up along time ago telling them how I was going to do things around here. They also use barbed wire and an energizer with it !!!!
You do have a few things you can do.. 1- keep the pony and fat horses OFF the grass except for short time periods. 2- get grazing muzzles. 3- create cross fencing on your pasture, and let them out into smaller areas combined with MOWING.. even just a brush hog. and 4- wait till the dew is dried off the pasture then let them out.
IF you start with short time periods, combined with mowing, you should be able to start to leave them on it longer and longer.
I'm wondering the same thing! We want to get a horse and a mule but it sounds like anything and everything can hurt or kill a horse! Maybe I just need to get goats again. They were easy.
That's what I thought when I got goats !! But after reading up on them they can have just as many problems.
I found an old horse Illustrated magazine that explains the grass founder issues. It explains it very well however it is from 2007. I know there has been alot of research since and I did get an email from a very savvy horse friend a while ago about it. I will look it up later today.
Bottom line is of course the overweight easy keepers, older cushings,insulin resistent horses as are drafts, morgans, arabians and donkeys but any horse can founder.
The article gave an example of 2 younger arabians that foundered and the older arabian and another overweight horse didn't.
The newest research from my understanding (will do more reading) is the cooler weather grasses make them more likely to founder. It is the high fructan levels that are in the grass as different times of the day. Testing the grass is not a way to avoid the problem since the fructan levels change depending on the weather, night time temperatures etc. If night time temperatures fall below 40 degrees and the days are hot and sunny the high levels of fructan stay in the grass. So spring and fall are the worst times. Figures I just get the pasture done. But the nights haven't dipped that low yet TG !!
Also stress like drought, over eating pasture can change the levels as well, not in our favor !!
And the list goes on and on. So if the night time temps have stayed above 40 degrees, the days are cooler and cloudy I think it will be safer to let them out. For short times. I'm also going to let them out after they've eaten hay (WCC and TO correct me if I'm wrong please, or anyone else for that matter). If it gets to the hindgut to soon it will ferment there and cause the endotoxins to enter the blood. The endotoxins affect the cadiovascular system, restricing the flow of oxygen and nutrients to the feet.........................and so on !!!
So, with that said, I think I'll have to get up early in the mornings to let them out for a very short time. And not at all when the night time temps get to low !!! GEEZZZ More and more homework to do, Never a dull moment hey ???????
Then of course there are the toxic weeds you need to watch out for. I have milk weed up here, dog bane and choke cherry trees !!!!
I'll try to find the article and post for anyone else.
PS My neighbors horses are out on pasture 365 and no problems, that isn't my luck. Plus they have been on so long that there are alot of weeds. She just says they build up an immunity (sp) to the toxic weeds !!!!
You do have a few things you can do.. 1- keep the pony and fat horses OFF the grass except for short time periods. 2- get grazing muzzles. 3- create cross fencing on your pasture, and let them out into smaller areas combined with MOWING.. even just a brush hog. and 4- wait till the dew is dried off the pasture then let them out.
IF you start with short time periods, combined with mowing, you should be able to start to leave them on it longer and longer.
BL4 said- All of you horse experts will have to explain to me what we have done to the genetic makeup of the horse that makes it unable to consume grass unless humans monitor their consumption.
Horses didn't need to be monitored back in days when they didn't have improved pastures that are seeded and fertilized and they could move from place to place when an area had been grazed down. And there were different species each eating different parts of the same field, some eating new growth, some eating weedy growth.. but with having each species kept in fences away from each other... and richer grasses available.. we have to monitor, its our responsibility to do so as we have become their god in a way, good or bad comes from us, discipline, treats, praise and punishment.
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I realize this seems horrible, but slaughter gave a bottom to the horse market, when they closed the plants here in the US, it forced the transport of horses to other countries. The breed registries do NOTHING to curb the stop of unwanted horses, or to monitor and help stop the breeding of horses until things settle down. IF states OR the government were to set up licensing OR state owned studs (like those in Europe), and stringent testing of mares and stallions, and having stallions having to PROVE themselves before being allowed to breed, we wouldn't have as many unwanted horses and unwanted foals, starved horses, abandoned horses and horses would be worth something.
Just a reminder, I got 2 well broke ponies for $40 apiece.. you normally wouldn't have been able to touch them as a team or as individuals for less than 300 or more just a few years ago.
Registries want money, they get that in registrations, transfers and other means attached to allowing rampant breeding.
A well known quarter horse breeder was quoted to say, " I breed a hundred bad ones for one outstanding foal". Those "bad" foals are sold for pennies on the dollar, IF that. Unhandled, ungroomed, not halter broke, loaded onto a trailer the same day they are weaned from mom, young enough to not need a coggins, with an application for registration (normal for alot of breeders)....some are sold to good homes, some are sold to be resold again...and some are left to their fate at the sale in the "loose" horse sale.
With out a bottom to the horse market, there is no horse market, a few sell for good money, but most are being given away, and we HOPE they find good homes.
JMHO- Carol
Horses didn't need to be monitored back in days when they didn't have improved pastures that are seeded and fertilized and they could move from place to place when an area had been grazed down. And there were different species each eating different parts of the same field, some eating new growth, some eating weedy growth.. but with having each species kept in fences away from each other... and richer grasses available.. we have to monitor, its our responsibility to do so as we have become their god in a way, good or bad comes from us, discipline, treats, praise and punishment.
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I realize this seems horrible, but slaughter gave a bottom to the horse market, when they closed the plants here in the US, it forced the transport of horses to other countries. The breed registries do NOTHING to curb the stop of unwanted horses, or to monitor and help stop the breeding of horses until things settle down. IF states OR the government were to set up licensing OR state owned studs (like those in Europe), and stringent testing of mares and stallions, and having stallions having to PROVE themselves before being allowed to breed, we wouldn't have as many unwanted horses and unwanted foals, starved horses, abandoned horses and horses would be worth something.
Just a reminder, I got 2 well broke ponies for $40 apiece.. you normally wouldn't have been able to touch them as a team or as individuals for less than 300 or more just a few years ago.
Registries want money, they get that in registrations, transfers and other means attached to allowing rampant breeding.
A well known quarter horse breeder was quoted to say, " I breed a hundred bad ones for one outstanding foal". Those "bad" foals are sold for pennies on the dollar, IF that. Unhandled, ungroomed, not halter broke, loaded onto a trailer the same day they are weaned from mom, young enough to not need a coggins, with an application for registration (normal for alot of breeders)....some are sold to good homes, some are sold to be resold again...and some are left to their fate at the sale in the "loose" horse sale.
With out a bottom to the horse market, there is no horse market, a few sell for good money, but most are being given away, and we HOPE they find good homes.
JMHO- Carol
Hear, hear on what you and Amyable have said Carol! Even though horse slaughter is an uncomfortable thought it is much more humane to have the slaughter houses open in each state so that the poor animals do not have to travel in crowded 2 level trailers for hours and hours just to be killed! It is a fact of life that we have made by allowing the rampant breeding of all types of animals (that are not eaten here) Look at how many cats and dogs are killed each day just because no one wants them. Are they not outlawing that killing just because those animals are not being eaten but are being thrown into landfills instead? Is that better? There are cultures that do eat dog and cat...and horses. There are lots of views to this dilemma and only difficult answers that cost a lot of money to implement. I for one will not knowingly breed a dog, cat or horse...just doing my little part for the world...
OK--Off the soap box! Didnt get anything done here today but work and grocery shopping! What a waste of a gorgeous day! I just wanted to set outside and do nothing. I have the next 2 days off..canning and more canning I must do! My kitchen is overflowing with produce...I might end up taking much of it to the park to sell or maybe just give away? I dont think we will be able to eat all of it and I dont think I can process and store all of it either! I took big boxes to all my clients today and DH took a bunch of really hot peppers to some men that he works with. He said after he made the announcement that they were for the taking it took about 15 minutes and they were all gone! Good, I am glad that someone is eating them.
Well, I am really tired...think I will go off to sleep. I do have a little reading to do yet about the ionic air machine that Carol and I picked up at a rummage sale...it seems to be working in my house just fine...YEAH! TO bad it cant pick up and do laundry too...Sweet dreams all...I hope I dont have to get up at 4:15 AM again and chase owls...they didnt get anything though TG! Good nighties! TErri O
(PS) you said dthe same thing about grass that I was going to Carol...we are on the same page!
OK--Off the soap box! Didnt get anything done here today but work and grocery shopping! What a waste of a gorgeous day! I just wanted to set outside and do nothing. I have the next 2 days off..canning and more canning I must do! My kitchen is overflowing with produce...I might end up taking much of it to the park to sell or maybe just give away? I dont think we will be able to eat all of it and I dont think I can process and store all of it either! I took big boxes to all my clients today and DH took a bunch of really hot peppers to some men that he works with. He said after he made the announcement that they were for the taking it took about 15 minutes and they were all gone! Good, I am glad that someone is eating them.
Well, I am really tired...think I will go off to sleep. I do have a little reading to do yet about the ionic air machine that Carol and I picked up at a rummage sale...it seems to be working in my house just fine...YEAH! TO bad it cant pick up and do laundry too...Sweet dreams all...I hope I dont have to get up at 4:15 AM again and chase owls...they didnt get anything though TG! Good nighties! TErri O
(PS) you said dthe same thing about grass that I was going to Carol...we are on the same page!
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IMHO, the (our) government should be the last thing to be involved in horses.. excuse me,, not the last thing.. just never involved at all.
In our area, the ginsing farmers were doing a fantastic business until the government stepped in to "help" with foreign trade..
In our area, the ginsing farmers were doing a fantastic business until the government stepped in to "help" with foreign trade..
I have eaten horse meat.. It almost killed me.. I was just swallowing when someone behind me hollored WHOA, and it stopped right there in my throat..
I sold 6 turkeys today.. all hens.. and the guy will come back in a couple of weeks after we determine if there are any more for sure.. we will butcher the excess toms.. as long as nobody objects to the practice.. I would hate to have to ship them all the way to mexico..
another turkey hatched today #11..
I have about a half dozen guineas spending the night in the pine tree.. I sprayed water on them for 20 minutes.. they just moved up out of range.. I hope the owl isn't real hungry tomorrow morning..
the second batch of quail eggs has not started hatching yet. I figure tomorrow will be the day..
Glad you and Suzie are with us, Brent..
glad the operation was a success.. unlike the guy who got his optic nerve crossed with his colon.. he ended up with a sh!tty outlook on life..
........jiminwisc.........
I sold 6 turkeys today.. all hens.. and the guy will come back in a couple of weeks after we determine if there are any more for sure.. we will butcher the excess toms.. as long as nobody objects to the practice.. I would hate to have to ship them all the way to mexico..
another turkey hatched today #11..
I have about a half dozen guineas spending the night in the pine tree.. I sprayed water on them for 20 minutes.. they just moved up out of range.. I hope the owl isn't real hungry tomorrow morning..
the second batch of quail eggs has not started hatching yet. I figure tomorrow will be the day..
Glad you and Suzie are with us, Brent..
glad the operation was a success.. unlike the guy who got his optic nerve crossed with his colon.. he ended up with a sh!tty outlook on life..
........jiminwisc.........
OMG. Jim, you are SASSY tonight!
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