Wolf kills mule

[chickened]

http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/AHID/livestock_id/openclosed_range.shtml

Open range law in Oregon.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Keeping them off your land an killing them so you dont have to is not the same thing. We all have things we can kill an things we cant.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

In the West it is open range and in open range the law says you fence livestock out not in.

So non farmers that don't want your animals on there land have to pay for fence them out but you dont wont other animals on your land but dont think you should have ton fences them out. Interesting double standard your asking for....

 

[chickened]

That is the problem you can be jailed for hazing, harassment or contact.

The owners of the mule were within the law with how they had thier animals contained, no they did not post a guard to watch the stock but they were and are being prevented from using effective methods even after as some have tried methods suggested by the government as acceptable (with a permit of course). Maximum security fencing is not practical these wolves can dig, jump, and some damage is caused by just running stock through fences where they later die, abort fetuses or die from stress in the winter months. Some animals are just not compatable with humans plain and simple humans figured this out a long time ago and now that we are so much smarter we need a refresher course evidently.

Keeping them off your land an killing them so you dont have to is not the same thing. We all have things we can kill an things we cant.

 

[chickened]

That is the open range law. Most do put up perimiter fences but voluntarily but if you hit a cow in open range on the road it is your fault. A wolf fence is not a cattle fence and open range applies to stock. There are leash laws for canines. For wolves there are no laws and that is the gripe from farmers and non-farmers, no legal right to protect your stuff. You can deal with a coyote though so talk about double standard...geesh.

So non farmers that don't want your animals on there land have to pay for fence them out but you dont wont other animals on your land but dont think you should have ton fences them out. Interesting double standard your asking for....

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

We have the same rules here an we build fences. Yes we have to maintain them but that's life. I good fence that is well maintained will keep wolves out.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

That is the open range law. Most do put up perimiter fences but voluntarily but if you hit a cow in open range on the road it is your fault. A wolf fence is not a cattle fence and open range applies to stock. There are leash laws for canines. For wolves there are no laws and that is the gripe from farmers and non-farmers, no legal right to protect your stuff. You can deal with a coyote though so talk about double standard...geesh.

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You are sill asking not to have to fence but making others fence. That is a double standard.

Yes I can shoot coyotes.
We both can shoot coyotes, foxes, racoons an other common animals but cant shoot wolves, eagles, an other non common animals.

But yes I have shot 1 coyote that was in a trap for a racoons an I bought more fence the next day.

 

[chickened]

I just came back from a ranch of 9000 acres that had topography of the grand canyon...how would you fence that? at what cost? and still raise cattle? and make money? bullets seem pretty cheap about now. I agree to some extent with you on responsibility but be practical. Ehy cannot the government just say we have enough wolves, monitor them and let them survive on thier own merit like the coyotes? that is not asking much. The debate about whether or not to put them here is over now it is how do we control them or do we just let them roam? Did you know the submarines in WWII of the Germans were called "wolf packs"? study the methods used by the allies as to how they were defeated and how they got that name. Research how the people in the gray wolf's native range deal with them, I can live with thier methods.

We have the same rules here an we build fences. Yes we have to maintain them but that's life. I good fence that is well maintained will keep wolves out.

 

[chickened]

I think you are missing the point of open range and closed range. You live in closed range there you are required by law to fence in, in open range the law says if you live here by your choice, you must fence out. If they do away with open range then what you say would apply. Open range and closed range is a double standard if you do not seperate the area as two distinct areas. Think of it as two counties one says fence out stock the other says fence it in now which one you choose to live in is your choice.

Are you saying the I am suggesting that the government fence in the wolves? that is not what I am saying but the government says the wildlife is the property of the people and is free to roam my private property so acting within my rights as the owner of property that I pay taxes on I have the right to protect it except when it comes to wolves pertaining to my stock. You can shoot a wolf for personal human protection but if you do you better have a good lawyer.

You are sill asking not to have to fence but making others fence. That is a double standard.

Yes I can shoot coyotes.
We both can shoot coyotes, foxes, racoons an other common animals but cant shoot wolves, eagles, an other non common animals.

But yes I have shot 1 coyote that was in a trap for a racoons an I bought more fence the next day.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for "I have to much land to have to do like everyone else." That's like one of my neighbors that don't think she should pay taxes on her 900 acres cause she has to much land.

As for fencing around cliffs, I'm sure plenty of the people on this Mtn I live on can show them how.