Wolf kills mule

[jadeybaby70]

Guys, no need to go for each other's throats. Wolves are beautiful creatures. They are also dangerous predators. Like many people have said, this pack, unlike others in the area, is attacking livestock and companion animals. There is no need to kill these beautiful creatures who are actually beneficial to the ecosystem. The goal would be for the ranchers to scare the bajesus out of them and ensure that they know they are not welcome to their animals. When I lived in CO we had an issue with coyotes attacking pets. Some even went for small dogs on the end of a leash!! One of the Southern cities then payed someone to "hunt" the coyotes. People got all upset and when they saw the guy, started throwing sticks at the coyotes to save them. THIS, (not exactly, but in theory) I believe is something that should be going on all the time. Wild animals are wild and should be encouraged to remain untrusting of humans. They should be taught to keep their distance before it becomes a problem. We are all in awe of nature (most of us anyway) and there is something about seeing it and being part of it that is spectacular and amazing but for their own protection and ours, we need to ensure that they understand we are dangerous as well.

 

[chickened]

I am an outdoorsman and would be the first to tell anyone that having the chance to see wolves in thier natural habitat is appealing. Sitting in our wilderness areas at night by a fire listening to all the wild sounds is something I cherish. I am armed when in this environment and capable of defending myself and my stock so in this sense I am comfortable.

Wolves in Oregon are not here by nature this time they were placed here by the government not unlike other federal mandates dumped in the lap of the states and told here you go boys they are all yours. The state is not able to handle the wolves like it was 150 years ago it is not realistic. They need controlled like all other wildlife and nobody expects the wolves to act wild in a non-wild environment that is again unrealistic. There is one in California now that is from Idaho, what is natural about that? it is obviously confused and one can only speculate why it is going to Cailfornia, maybe the weather or the social programs.

I posted this story so people woud be more aware of the problems these wolves are creating and after seeing what happened in one day with PIPA SOPA I would hope somehow our government will hear about things that happen negatively as a result of thier actions. The squeaky wheels get greased.

 

[Duramaxgirl]

There is no way wolves are an 'endangered' species here in North Idaho. And they're not the smaller less aggressive timber wolf my parents remember from the 60s. They are the 200+lbs Canadian wolf, introduced here by our government. And they are decimating the elk and deer.
I could go on but I won't.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

These farmers owned that land before the wolves were reintroduced, so your argument does not work here. This particular pack seems to be preying on livestock. There is another pack in the area that has been doing well and they have had no issues with them.

reintroduced.... I think there is a lot of meaning in that word.

 

[RHRanch]

Um, wolves had to be re-introduced (into habitat that had always had wolves before all the european settlers came and eradicated them in favor of protecting their livestock.) Re-introduced, they were there before, and they have been returned to habitat that once had large wolf populations. They are not invasive, even if they are not the original subspecies that those particular areas once had. Not a lot of genetic difference there, folks.

http://wayeh.com/aboutsleddogs/wolves.htm

http://www.nwcreation.net/dogsandwolves.html

Also: I found this link stating that the biggest wolf on record was 175 lbs, not 200+ lbs. http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/11/27/albertas-record-size-wolf-fact-or-fiction/

And this one with average size ranges: http://www.cosmosmith.com/gray_wolves.html

 

[sourland]

Um, wolves had to be re-introduced (into habitat that had always had wolves before all the european settlers came and eradicated them in favor of protecting their livestock. Re-introduced, they were there before, and they have been returned to habitat that once had large wolf populations. They are not invasive, even if they are not the original subspecies that those particular areas once had. Not a lot of genetic difference there, folks.

Not certain why they 'had' to be reintroduced. That process was happening naturally starting with Yellowstone. The bottom line is that livestock killers should be eliminated before they educate others . If you check it generally starts with one or two individuals who intoduce the rest of the pack to the practice. Once started they discover that livestock is generally 'easier' than wild prey.

 

[RHRanch]

Not certain why they 'had' to be reintroduced. That process was happening naturally starting with Yellowstone. The bottom line is that livestock killers should be eliminated before they educate others . If you check it generally starts with one or two individuals who intoduce the rest of the pack to the practice. Once started they discover that livestock is generally 'easier' than wild prey.

Well I don't want to get into a big debate, but just about any ecosystem is better off if it contains all level of predator and prey, it works better that way. It has been shown that the loss of an apex predator (Like wolves) is possibly one of the worst things that can happen to an ecosystem. Given time, the system should balance now that the apex predators have been returned.

 

[Duramaxgirl]

I just love how those that argue in favor of the majestic noble wolf usually do so from their air conditioned living rooms, located in some large metropolitan area at least 1000 miles away from the concerned area.

My parents run a small sports store and at times I help out. I've seen and talked to those Lucky enough to have legally taken one of these enormous animals. believe what you might from reading off the internet. I'll believe what I see with my eyes here IN Idaho.
As someone pointed out before its like a grizzly bear in a hen house.
Not the same ecosystem. Two different types of wolves for two different types of ecosystems.

 

[RHRanch]

I just love how those that argue in favor of the majestic noble wolf usually do so from their air conditioned living rooms, located in some large metropolitan area at least 1000 miles away from the concerned area.
My parents run a small sports store and at times I help out. I've seen and talked to those Lucky enough to have legally taken one of these enormous animals. believe what you might from reading off the internet. I'll believe what I see with my eyes here IN Idaho.
As someone pointed out before its like a grizzly bear in a hen house.
Not the same ecosystem. Two different types of wolves for two different types of ecosystems.

Just so you know, we have every predator where I live, including mountain lion, except for wolves. In plentiful quantities.

 

[duck&chickencrazy]

Areed!

Well I don't want to get into a big debate, but just about any ecosystem is better off if it contains all level of predator and prey, it works better that way. It has been shown that the loss of an apex predator (Like wolves) is possibly one of the worst things that can happen to an ecosystem. Given time, the system should balance now that the apex predators have been returned.