Wolf kills mule

[yomama]

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That's what I was thinking. How can we say "reintroduced" if they were never there to begin with.

Chickened: not wanting to debate, just clarification. Aren't Gray Wolves native to Oregon? My understanding is that they were wiped out from Or and were introduced to ID. They are now making their way back to OR, where they came from. I just though that you saying that wolves are not native to Or was possibly a little off, maybe?

 

[Duramaxgirl]

Check this out...
http://www.mt-sfw.com/adminclient/WolfSpecies/go
This video is not for the squeamish...
Wolves don't kill to eat they kill for the love of killing...

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I just love how those that argue in favor of the majestic noble wolf usually do so from their air conditioned living rooms, located in some large metropolitan area at least 1000 miles away from the concerned area.

I live in the mtns where wolves an coyotes are along with other not so nice critters... Its my job to keep my livestock an the predators apart with as little death as possible to ether one. I have an eagle in my yard right now. Freshly reintroduced. I dont need to shoot them cause I have done things to make my livestock less appealing than natural food sources...

 

[Duramaxgirl]

I live in the mtns where wolves an coyotes are along with other not so nice critters... Its my job to keep my livestock an the predators apart with as little death as possible to ether one. I have an eagle in my yard right now. Freshly reintroduced. I dont need to shoot them cause I have done things to make my livestock less appealing than natural food sources...

Good for you... I've seen bald eagles less then 300 feet from my coops.
I've no problem with predators. Just with the government telling ranchers/people they can't protect there livestock, pets and children!... From them on THEIR own private property...sigh... I'd better shut up or this ones gonna get locked.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

My understanding is that they can protect all they want they just cant kill.

 

[Duramaxgirl]

I'm sorry to get so excited about it... Its a pretty hot topic up here. I'm a big private property rights weirdo.
I do love seeing the bald eagles! My chickens have places to hide so I've not had a problem with flying predators.

 

[TheWaddler]

The owners of the mule make a living packing people in the wild areas so they understand (more than most) the ecology of wolves trust me they have been overeducated by the government on how to live with them so stating obvious fact about taking what comes when living in the wild is an insult to thier intelligence really.

The issue is complex but not impossible. They want the right to protect thier life and properety from a predator. You see in the country we have predators and they play a role in nature but when they develope a taste for slow moving domestic animals they must be controlled or they harm themselves in the end. There are sexual predators in the cities and urban or shall we say non-wild areas and what do you suppose you all do with them? let them roam? post your names any mother that will not protect your children from a sexual predator, after all they are just doing what seems natural... and ok to them afterall they have to survive too... predators are predators.

According to the video the mule was very healthy again an insult to the intelligence of horse/mule owners. The mules were fenced within private property again an insult to thier intelligence, they did what was required by law to contain thier stock. They were told by the government that wolves will eat wild animals over domestic stock and there was 2000 elk wintering within 1 mile of the kill site, I know that area very well.

The wolves released in the West are not native to Oregon we had a much smaller subspecies that was less aggressive. These are the larger Canadian wolves that have evolved to a stature capable of killing 400lb caribou and 1500lb moose they are like putting grizzly bear(s) in your henhouse.

As the area grows and developes the same concerns/practices that keep wolves out of cities will be put into effect and what usually happens when traditional land uses in an area die off subrerban developement occurs and another wild area is gone, is that what you want? if not then let the ranchers and farmers protect thier stock. The USFW has delisted wolves in eastern oregon the hang up is the ODFW will not as stated in the article. Watch the video.

That has to be the absolute most far-fetched, outrageous and outlandish analogies I have ever heard. Not even a vaguely close comparison. Even a sexual predator knows his predation is not natural.....mind-blowing analogy there I tell ya what!

People who move to the boonies, claim they accept the consequences of said actions and then complain about them could have questionable intelligence.

Don't move next to the dump and complain about the smell and demand they close it down because it lowers your private property value. The emphasis being private it would seem in the video, as they claim the wolves violate their land, because the wolves have no fair claim to the land no matter how much longer they have been there than you.

 

[TheWaddler]

These farmers owned that land before the wolves were reintroduced, so your argument does not work here. This particular pack seems to be preying on livestock. There is another pack in the area that has been doing well and they have had no issues with them.

And why do you think they would have to be reintroduced? Maybe it has to do with the fact that they were there first, got hunted out of existence by said farmers who bought the land after they killed off the original proprietors of the land, said wolves. So I think it is your argument that does not work here following that same line of thinking.

Also the claim that they have more rights than your livestock, pets and children......really, that is outlandish (my word of the day hehe) too. There is not a single creature on the planet you cannot kill if it threatens the life of your child, humans included.

 

[Duramaxgirl]

You should read the link I posted above.

In 1994/95,the Canadian MacKenzie Valley Gray Wolf (the largest and most aggressive subspecies of the Grey Wolf) was brought in and released in Yellowstone and Idaho. What was left of the indigenous and truly endangered Canis lupus irremotus has most likely been replaced by the transplanted Canis lupus occidentallis.

We where hear first... Before the wolf that was introduced that is causing all the problems.
No I'm not against them being here... Just our inability to protect out animals/family on our private property.
ETA...sigh...
Wolves kill people too
http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005140375

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I'm sorry to get so excited about it... Its a pretty hot topic up here. I'm a big private property rights weirdo.
I do love seeing the bald eagles! My chickens have places to hide so I've not had a problem with flying predators.

You have your private property rights. Unless I am missing something you can build a fence an keep what every you want in or out. Among many other things. But if you dont have any means to keep wolves off your land you cant really expect them to understand that they are not to cross your property an they are aloud to eat this tasty critter over there but not this one over here cause you lay claim to it. It takes actual barriers or you or trained guards to be there an tell them you have ownership.