Worming Dilemma

[ngennetta]

Thanks. I understand all that dosing to weight ratio etc.
I'm old school when it comes to worming, I dont weigh birds. I've used alot of wormers including z-gold and equimax. I've been doing it like this for a long time and it works.
Tapes are my specialty, I've dealt with them enough and know a few tricks to get rid of them lol.

Thank you again, Dawg53. I truly appreciate it.

Would the WormOut gel be a suitable alternative since it has Praziquantel 20g/L and Oxfendazole 20g/L?

Thank you kindly
Nicole

 

[dawg53]

Is there a downside to worming them monthly?
It has been very rainy here too. Cleaning up the new run has unearthed cockroach and snail heaven.

There are more upsides than downsides. Wormers are good for about 30 days. Like wormers for a dog, a monthly preventative/treatment. Same with chickens ESPECIALLY if you're living in a sub tropical environment. Warm moist/wet soil is worm soup, no matter where you live. One female roundworm lays hundreds of eggs onto the soil each day. Other chickens constantly peck the soil, picking up the worm eggs.
I rotate wormers also.
Roaches and snails are vectors of all kinds of nasties for chickens. I hope you got rid of them somehow.

 

[dawg53]

Thank you again, Dawg53. I truly appreciate it.

Would the WormOut gel be a suitable alternative since it has Praziquantel 20g/L and Oxfendazole 20g/L?

Thank you kindly
Nicole

I've never used WormOut, so I really cant say. Again, the key is IF ALL your birds drink it in order to be effective.
However, I understand your situation. You have to do what you think is best. Good luck.

 

[Tesumph]

There are more upsides than downsides. Wormers are good for about 30 days. Like wormers for a dog, a monthly preventative/treatment. Same with chickens ESPECIALLY if you're living in a sub tropical environment. Warm moist/wet soil is worm soup, no matter where you live. One female roundworm lays hundreds of eggs onto the soil each day. Other chickens constantly peck the soil, picking up the worm eggs.
I rotate wormers also.
Roaches and snails are vectors of all kinds of nasties for chickens. I hope you got rid of them somehow.

I’m still working on this run, so there are still plenty of both.

I was under the impression that routine worming was frowned on around here? Now I’m not even sure where I got that from. Maybe I’m confused with something else...

 

[casportpony]

Wormout gel is very expensive I think.

Off the top of my head, doses are:

Pigeons - 23.5 ml per gallon for two days
All other birds - 47 ml per gallon for two days
Not positive, but I think you would have to repeat in 10-14 days.

Oral dose (do not use the following when treating pigeons)
10 mg/kg
0.23 ml per pound once, repeat in 10-14 days
1.14 ml per five pounds, repeat in 10-14 days

20 mg/kg
0.45 ml per pound, repeat in 10-14 days
2.27 ml per five pounds, repeat in 10-14 days

 

[Eggcessive]

I’m still working on this run, so there are still plenty of both.

I was under the impression that routine worming was frowned on around here? Now I’m not even sure where I got that from. Maybe I’m confused with something else...

It really depends on different opinions, and where one lives. Some swear they never worm. Some do it twice a year, some every 2 months. If you live in a cooler arid climate, it probably can be less. Dawg53 lives in Florida, and it is pretty bad for parasites with the heat and moisture. Some vets will do fecal floats for their regular customers, but some won’t. I don’t know how accurate those online mail-in worm check kits are, since I always thought a fresher sample was best.

 

[dawg53]

I’m still working on this run, so there are still plenty of both.

I was under the impression that routine worming was frowned on around here? Now I’m not even sure where I got that from. Maybe I’m confused with something else...

Nah, you're not confused. Some folks are in denial, that's the hard truth. All they have to do is to look at the direct and indirect lifecycle of nematodes and cestodes, that should be reason enough to worm birds. Generally the thought is that their birds dont have worms unless they see them in feces.
Why would a parasite leave its host when they are fat and happy sucking the life out of the bird? When a bird excretes a worm or two, what is the damage to the intestinal lining? Does it effect nutrient absorption for the health of the bird?
They dont think about worms in this manner. Then they wonder why their birds get sick creating a new set of problems, the root cause being worms...which I wont get into at this time lol.

 

[Eggcessive]

Wormout gel is very expensive I think.

Off the top of my head, doses are:

Pigeons - 23.5 ml per gallon for two days
All other birds - 47 ml per gallon for two days
Not positive, but I think you would have to repeat in 10-14 days.

Oral dose (do not use the following when treating pigeons)
10 mg/kg
0.23 ml per pound once, repeat in 10-14 days
1.14 ml per five pounds, repeat in 10-14 days

20 mg/kg
0.45 ml per pound, repeat in 10-14 days
2.27 ml per five pounds, repeat in 10-14 days

The smallest quantity is $22 for 100 ml, and it treats 4 gallons. But it has to be used 2 consecutive days.
Foys and Jedds sell it online.

 

[Kiki]

Wormout Gel:

 

[casportpony]

The smallest quantity is $22 for 100 ml, and it treats 4 gallons. But it has to be used 2 consecutive days.
Foys and Jedds sell it online.

I'll do the math again, 'cause I might be wrong, but last time I did it came out to 47 ml per gallon for the non-pigeon dose.