WORMING! I need a definitive "How To"

[dawg53]

This is what I have read and is why I'm opting for the chemical route. I'm all for natural when it comes to food and insecticides, but when it comes to highly contagious viruses, bacteria and internal parasites, I want what's guaranteed to be effective.

Think about it. Worms weaken the chickens immune system by starving the bird to death, literally. Chickens with loss of strength and compromised immune systems opens the door for bacterial, viral and fungal infections to easily invade their systems.
You want to use something that you know works; without guessing whether the product will be effective or ineffective, no guesswork about dosages or how long to give the product. No guesswork whether there's a withdrawal period or not, and of course the costs of the product(s.)
No guesswork using chemical wormers.

 

[earlyredrooster]

DE will not prevent nor treat worms. It is ineffective when wet, just like inside chicken innards.

That's what my grandpa used and he never had wormy birds.

 

[dawg53]

Quote: Take a spoonful of DE and mix it in water and see what happens.

 

[ChickensAreSweet]

So a full 24 days of egg withdrawal starting from the first dose? Wow, that's almost two full months of the year if you do it twice. Definitely worth it when you consider the cost of losing a whole flock. I'd love to find something with a shorter or nonexistent withdrawal period though.

So far the chickens are really liking the piperazine water. I read on one chicken supply website that there's no egg withdrawal for it, and I've called a local vet to confirm. I'm interested to see if they perk up from this treatment. We have three separate coops, and it's only my buffs that seem to be a little off. Still, I'm not risking it.

Actually most posts on BYC that I have read mention tossing eggs for 2 weeks with Wazine. Personally I wouldn't eat them for two weeks. Make sure you always repeat the wormer. I like to rotate wormers and I have to worm twice a year here (or they do become ill and die).

What you can do is have two flocks, and worm them at different times (make sure they are not on the same soil). Then you can be in eggs all year round. But that is also twice the work.

There are lots of threads on valbazen and fenbendazole here on BYC - and here in the US, all wormers are off-label for laying hens. That means, there is nothing approved for laying hens...just cull is all they have to offer. For chickens who aren't laying, Wazine is the only approved wormer. So there are many threads on these other wormers and dawg53 has written many many posts and saved many chickens' lives. So be sure to look for his posts!

Oh, and valbazen is also called albendazole.

http://en.aviagen.com/assets/Tech_Center/AA_Technical_Articles/AAServiceBulletinIntestinalWorms.pdf
very good link with pics

 

[wrongtreefarm]

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/04/answers-from-chicken-vet-on-worming.html

Here's an interesting link with good info from a chicken vet. He recommends rotation of Piperazine, fenbendazole (wazine) and another one at various times of year according to when the birds will be spending more time in coops and when the temperatures become for favourable to worms. The piperazine was his recommendation for fall, so I've already done it at the wrong time of year, but oh well. Roundworms are still the most common. I'm worming my dogs and cat at the same time, because they're all outdoors all day long. After seeing a horrifying youtube video of surgery to remove roundworms impacting a three year old's bowel, I almost wonder about worming my kids now that I'm imagining worms everywhere because of how much they gross me out. I don't even like earthworms. Caterpillars are suspect as well. Don't even get me started on slugs.

Tossing the eggs is going to break my heart, but the runs surround my three coops are adjacent, so it just makes sense to do all the chickens all at the same time. We do this for farm status (makes a difference of thousands of dollars in property taxes) so missing out on egg sales hurts. But losing hens would hurt more, especially after waiting so long for them to grow from chicks and getting to know their ridiculous little feathery selves so well.

One last question:

- Who in British Columbia carries fenbendazole/Wazine/Safeguard? Or will I have to find a vet that specifically deals with poultry? Piperazine is easy to find, but Buckerfields and Co-Op have yielded nothing.

 

[ChickensAreSweet]

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/04/answers-from-chicken-vet-on-worming.html

Here's an interesting link with good info from a chicken vet. He recommends rotation of Piperazine, fenbendazole (wazine) and another one at various times of year according to when the birds will be spending more time in coops and when the temperatures become for favourable to worms. The piperazine was his recommendation for fall, so I've already done it at the wrong time of year, but oh well. Roundworms are still the most common. I'm worming my dogs and cat at the same time, because they're all outdoors all day long. After seeing a horrifying youtube video of surgery to remove roundworms impacting a three year old's bowel, I almost wonder about worming my kids now that I'm imagining worms everywhere because of how much they gross me out. I don't even like earthworms. Caterpillars are suspect as well. Don't even get me started on slugs.

Tossing the eggs is going to break my heart, but the runs surround my three coops are adjacent, so it just makes sense to do all the chickens all at the same time. We do this for farm status (makes a difference of thousands of dollars in property taxes) so missing out on egg sales hurts. But losing hens would hurt more, especially after waiting so long for them to grow from chicks and getting to know their ridiculous little feathery selves so well.

One last question:

- Who in British Columbia carries fenbendazole/Wazine/Safeguard? Or will I have to find a vet that specifically deals with poultry? Piperazine is easy to find, but Buckerfields and Co-Op have yielded nothing.

http://www.flemingoutdoors.com/piperazine-liquid-17-8-oz.html
(see other name for wazine)

Have you tried the feed stores in your area, in the goat/cattle section?
http://www.jefferspet.com/valbazen/camid/liv/cp/16387/