Worming with Horse Wormer

[enola]

Studies show that Safeguard given at half the amount I suggested for three days will treat some tapes, but some people say it doesn't. I've never had tapes, so I don't know either way. Both Safeguard and Valbazen are quite safe. Bang for the buck, Valbazen is the better wormer. One dose of Valbazen and again in ten days will treat roundworms, cecal worms and capillary worms, but Safeguard needs to be given five days for the same efficacy on capillary worms.

-Kathy

I am so glad you have never had tapeworms, Kathy!

 

[casportpony]

Quote: Would much rather have tapes than some of the other things! If I do ever see them, I'll treat them with the liquid praziquantel we have or I'll buy Mediworm tablets.
http://www.jedds.com/-strse-510/MEDIWORM-TABLETS-100-ct/Detail.bok

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

I'd be extremely careful in trying to give Ivermectin for horses to your dog, if you get it wrong you could kill your dog. I have dogs and horses and the package of horse wormer warns about only using in horses not dogs. A .21 oz. syringe is enough to treat a 1200# horse! I have a Quarter horse and a 300# miniature horse, it can be difficult to get the dose right for the mini since it is such a small amount. I even go so far as to make sure my dogs can't get into and eat the horse manure for several weeks after the horses are wormed just to sure. That goes for the chickens too who love to work and compost the horse manure.

We get Iverhart Max from www.kvpet.com for our 5 large dogs that range in size from a Border Collie to a 100# Great Pyrenees. It's basically the generic version of HeartGard and about 1/2 the cost of getting it from the vet.

Ivermectin can be figured the same way...

Heartworm dose for dogs is 6 to 12 *micro* grams per kg. Amount for a 50 pound dog using the 1250 pound 1.87% tube is: 50 ÷ 2.2 x .012 ÷ 18.7 = 0.01458434613 ml, so 0.015ml max for a 50 pound dog. Note that it's 0.015, which is almost impossible to measure.

The max dose for chickens is 400 *micro* grams (0.4mg), so the max dose using the 1250 pound 1.87% tube for a 5 pound chicken is: 5 ÷ 2.2 x .4 ÷ 18.7 = 0.04861448711 ml, round up to 0.05ml

Note that many people give way more ivermectin than that to chickens and haven't had any trouble doing it. My math above is for those that are anal/OCD about dosing like I am.

Syringe pictures:




Always check my math!

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

@Toodles , you can do the same for your mini horse if you know how much they way. Horse dose is 200 micrograms (0.2mg) per kg, so the dose for a 300 pound mini horse looks like: 300 ÷ 2.2 x .2 ÷ 18.7 = 1.45843461351ml (round up to 1.5ml).

-Kathy

 

[birdman55]

I was told to reworm after the ten days because of the young ones that arnt yet worms...

 

[casportpony]

I was told to reworm after the ten days because of the young ones that arnt yet worms...

This is what many people do.

-Kathy

 

[birdman55]

if you check that website out is says that valbazen is actually one of the most effective poultry dewormers...Roundworms, Capillaria, Cecal Worms, Tapeworms. Pretty much all internal parasites in poultry & possibly some worm eggs.

May have effect against Blackhead, Coccidios, & lower form of Canker?
pretty cool that it works for more then just one thing

 

[dawg53]

if you check that website out is says that valbazen is actually one of the most effective poultry dewormers...Roundworms, Capillaria, Cecal Worms, Tapeworms. Pretty much all internal parasites in poultry & possibly some worm eggs.

May have effect against Blackhead, Coccidios, & lower form of Canker?
pretty cool that it works for more then just one thing

You're correct; lower forms of protozoal infections. It's better to use standard treatments for protozoal infections ie; corid, sulfa drugs, flagyl, copper sulfate.
Valbazen also treats eyeworm, gapeworm, gizzard worm and flukes.

 

[Fancychooklady]

Very interesting. I did the same math to figure out how much Ivermectin ( a horse wormer) I should give to a 65 lb. dog to prevent heartworms. It's the exact same medicine as the expensive vet stuff.
Now, with the birds and Safeguard, you are saying get a pea sized amount into their mouths? I think I will do it by finger feeding method because it is such a small amount that the right amount really will not get out of the tube. I have few birds so I'm going to open their mouths and put it in. Thank you for the information. Very useful.

Ivermectin should not be administered to dogs that carry the MDR-1 gene ! The breeds that carry this gene include collies, long haired whippet, australian shepherd,English shepherd and German shepherd.

http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2344&Itemid=2996

 

[Fancychooklady]

if you check that website out is says that valbazen is actually one of the most effective poultry dewormers...Roundworms, Capillaria, Cecal Worms, Tapeworms. Pretty much all internal parasites in poultry & possibly some worm eggs.


May have effect  against Blackhead, Coccidios, & lower form of Canker?
pretty cool that it works for more then just one thing

It's also worth noting that it carries a warning of a possible drop in egg production and hatch ability

http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2697&Itemid=2960