Worms...AGAIN. Please help...I dont know what I can use now!

[dawg53]

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The earliest...10 days, but no later than the 14th day. Edited: Your first post in this thread you stated that you saw worms that were about 1/8" long. I stated that they could be cecal worms. Piperazine wont kill cecal worms. Valbazen and/or Safeguard will. Good luck.

 

[roz]

Thanks for the info. I will follow up with the valbazen in 10-14 days. Like I said before, I panicked and used the only thing I had which was the piperazine. The worms they had last time were round worms, so I thought perhaps these were just baby ones because the worms that our golden comet expelled when we first found out about the worms were 3 inches long...they were identified as round worm. I realize they may have more than just one kind of worm in them though. My chickens are acting like they feel better (only one acted sick yesterday) so I'm hoping the piperazine was effective.

 

[roz]

Ok, I have one last question, and it is probably a stupid one, but I was wondering if fenbendazole is the same thing as valbazen?

 

[Echobabe]

<<Ok, I have one last question, and it is probably a stupid one, but I was wondering if fenbendazole is the same thing as valbazen?>>

No, different drugs altogether. Fenbendazole is just more readily on the shelf, and its what my vet had me use. Valbazen seems to be mail order only--but those here that have tried it love the results and swear it is gentler on their birds. My next scheduled worming will be with valbazen, too.

 

[GhostRider65]

I went into poultry keeping with the idea of being totally organic, free range and as being as close to nature as possible. I liberally used DE and ACV, believing it would solve all my parasite problems. I hadn't seen a louse, a mite or a worm in 4 years

Your last statement
says something right there, maybe your sick hen wasn't getting any of the feed that had the DE in it , as far as ACV, it alone nor garlic alone will kill unwanted critters, that is why I also do a 6 week regimen of the wormwood, it usually kills every thing that is missed by the ACV, garlic, and DE. if you don't mind using strong methods for treating worms, that become immune to the stuff and next time you will have even bigger problems, that is fine....I just wanted the OP to know there is other methods but they typically take more time and are NOT an overnight miracle, but with constant use and supervision and keeping the coop run clean, it works well enough for me and most folks I know who use it. .
In an emergency such as a sick chicken and you have no qualms about hard lining meds, I would use any of the other products suggested. I would personally not use them, but every one has there own opinion,.
Some chickens have week genetics or immune systems for other various reasons and no matter what you try it may not help, I believe in letting mother nature take her course, the better stronger chickens will make it and your flock will be stronger for it. because the weaker chickens, will not reproduce the genetic predisposition of worms/parasites or other illnesses. So like in nature only the strong survive. I have read several articles about breeding for strength in parasite control, not sure it's 100 % yet but they are working on it.
I would hate to loose a favorite hen due to parasites, and I feel very bad for anyone that does loose them to 1 thing or another, but sometimes no matter what you may try to do it isn't enough.... many things can happen to chickens or any pet for that matter, that make treating them for 1 thing much worse down the road when they get sick again with something else....studies have shown that over treating with hard line meds will keep your animals immune systems weak and later on you will loose them to something else or a re-occurrence of the original sickness..this is also proven in humans, but you will have to look long and hard for the paper work, because big pharma has covered up so much on natural cures and prevention, that it's very difficult to find. So Sorry you lost your girl to Peritonitis.​

 

[ReikiStar]

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I don't think anyone here said the natural remedies were miracle cures. With an infestation like the OP has, I'd go with Ivermectin too. The problem with Ivermectin is they are starting to see resistance because it's so widely used.

DE, ACV, garlic, cayenne or wormwood are better for PREVENTING parasite build up. No animal that eats off the ground is ever going to be parasite free. But you're looking for an amount that the animal's body can manage.

Just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean it doesn't work for others. Parasites are all about where you live and how you manage it.

 

[GhostRider65]

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I don't think anyone here said the natural remedies were miracle cures. With an infestation like the OP has, I'd go with Ivermectin too. The problem with Ivermectin is they are starting to see resistance because it's so widely used.

DE, ACV, garlic, cayenne or wormwood are better for PREVENTING parasite build up. No animal that eats off the ground is ever going to be parasite free. But you're looking for an amount that the animal's body can manage.

Just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean it doesn't work for others. Parasites are all about where you live and how you manage it.

So totally agree......... well said

 

[Echobabe]

I understand everyone here may have a wide range of opinions regarding natural (i.e., herbal) and scientifically proven chemical methods of worm control. My main concern here is that someone like roz gets the information they need, right now, concerning the eradication of a worm outbreak. After what they have already been through, they don't need to hear about alternative methods that will do little to help the flock in question.

You see, when someone posts "Worms...AGAIN. Please help...I dont know what I can use now!", that strikes me they have an EMERGENT problem that needs a quick solution. All of the herbal methods mentioned (DE, ACV, garlic) might be somewhat successful as preventatives, but not for treating an active infestation. That is what the poster wanted advice on, after all.

Now, good luck to roz in getting this under control. If the rest of you wish to debate the efficacy of your alternative methods for preventing/treating worms, please start the topic on another thread.

 

[chickengrl]

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x2 OP said she wanted advice on chemical de-wormers for her flock. She has tried herbal and wishes to move on to something with more of a guarantee. It's not the proper time to debate the herbal vs medication issue. IMHO.

 

[GhostRider65]

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Yes God, but I have no need to start another topic there is plenty on this subject on this board already, The OP stated worms AGAIN, I gave my opinions on why worms AGAIN, and that is important information on preventing them better for future generations. I stated she could AND MAYBE SHOULD use any hard line meds suggested, and I also stated natural meds or herbs are not a miracle cure, You think we are misinforming her......we are not! We are but, a wide range of people that have different ways to deal with different things, all the input is important, and anyone reading this later could gain knowledge on prevention as well as treatment. So no I will not stay home, if you are not interested in reading my opinions don't read my posts........simple as that. Kim