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[casportpony]

I'm not sure where she got her information either.  I use about  1 ml. per 80 lbs. body weight, so about half her recommended dosage.  Seems to work fine!  Mary

I remember you posted that before, and I think that works out to 0.3mg/kg. Her recommended banty dose, depending on the weight of the bird, could be as high as 2mg/kg, or higher! I doubt that amount will hurt poultry, but I think I read that ivermectin at 0.4mg/kg is toxic to some breeds of small birds?

Pigeon people give it up to 1mg/kg, I think, but I haven't seen anything higher recommended.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

So I just noticed that Gail Damerow's book suggests giving large amounts of 1% ivermectin to chickens. It says to give bantams 0.1ml and 0.25ml to larger birds. Anyone know where she got this info?


-Kathy

Email her and ask?....say maybe  "how do you mix oil base product with water?"

Wouldn't be the first or last error in a chicken book....even her's.

I'm not very good at beating around the bush, lol. I have to assume that she really thinks one can just add ivermectin to the water. I did an experiment where I mixed it in water, it floated to the top in minutes. Then I found a msds (material safety data sheet) that said it's not water soluble. Neither is Safeguard, but Safeguard settles to the bottom, though not as quickly.

-Kathy

 

[aart]

Quote: I'm not very good at beating around the bush, lol. I have to assume that she really thinks one can just add ivermectin to the water. I did an experiment where I mixed it in water, it floated to the top in minutes. Then I found a msds (material safety data sheet) that said it's not water soluble. Neither is Safeguard, but Safeguard settles to the bottom, though not as quickly.

-Kathy
Then be more direct...might be worth a try.

 

[casportpony]

 

 

So I just noticed that Gail Damerow's book suggests giving large amounts of 1% ivermectin to chickens. It says to give bantams 0.1ml and 0.25ml to larger birds. Anyone know where she got this info?



-Kathy

Email her and ask?....say maybe  "how do you mix oil base product with water?"


Wouldn't be the first or last error in a chicken book....even her's.

I'm not very good at beating around the bush, lol. I have to assume that she really thinks one can just add ivermectin to the water. I did an experiment where I mixed it in water, it floated to the top in minutes. Then I found a msds (material safety data sheet) that said it's not water soluble. Neither is Safeguard, but Safeguard settles to the bottom, though not as quickly.


-Kathy

Then be more direct...might be worth a try.

Maybe I'll compose a list of my concerns and email them. Even her Corid (amprolium) dose is not correct. Sigh...

-Kathy

 

[Folly's place]

Everybody seems to 'beat around the bush' on Ivermectin doses for chickens, because it's not approved for use. My "Backyard Poultry Medicine and Surgery" mentions using it for several issues, but doesn't give a dose. Very aggravating! I'm going to look in the Merck Manual next. Mary

 

[Folly's place]

Merck gives an Ivermectin dose in drinking water, a very poor idea IMO. I've never tried Hygromycin B, because I'm not interested in mixing anything in food, and it's an aminoglycoside, so not sorry it will come off the market next year. Mary

 

[casportpony]

Everybody seems to 'beat around the bush' on Ivermectin doses for chickens, because it's not approved for use.  My "Backyard  Poultry Medicine and Surgery" mentions using it for several issues, but doesn't give a dose.  Very aggravating!  I'm going to look in the Merck Manual next.  Mary

Too bad it doesn't have a formulary.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Merck gives an Ivermectin dose in drinking water, a very poor idea IMO. I've never tried Hygromycin B, because I'm not interested in mixing anything in food, and it's an aminoglycoside, so not sorry it will come off the market next year. Mary

I tried to find the data sheets that said it's not soluble, now all I can find are ones that say "not determined". The three formularies I have all list giving it by injection or orally, none mention mixing it in water. Have to double check, but I think the highest dose mentioned is 1mg/kg.

Formularies

• Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook
• Clinical Avian Medicine
• Avian Medicine: Principles and Applications

-Kathy

 

[chicapee]

We use lecithin to mix essential oils into Bee feed, I wonder if you could use it to mix worming drugs in water.

 

[casportpony]

I though this was interesting. Have no idea how true it is...

treated with fenbendazole became anorexic but regained their appetites after a few days. The author has noted that bearded dragons can go off food dramatically when put through consecutive day dosing, with the longest period of anorexia being two weeks. As bearded dragons often have both pinworms and coccidia, it is not unusual for them to be treated with both sulfadimethoxine (Albon) and fenbendazole at the same time, leading to questions about which drug could be causing the appetite to be suppressed. In any case, both drugs have caused appetite suppression when used separately, so perhaps a noncritical bearded dragon should be treated in stages to minimize appetite disruption. For bearded dragons that won’t eat, force-feeding appears to kick-start most into eating again. Employ force-feeding early and continue force-feeding until the dragons feed on their own.
In some rare cases, parasites appear to be resistant to fenbendazole. In this situation, the author suggests using ivermectin, which may require more doses over time. A small study (Klingenberg 1993) demonstrated this in ball pythons. Fenbendazole eliminated nematodes in fewer doses than ivermectin did (see appendix III). Corwin (M. Corwin 1994, pers. comm.) reported that this was also true when treating nematode parasites of monitor lizards.
Excerpt from the book Understanding Reptile Parasites by Roger Klingenberg with permission from its publisher, Advanced Vivarium Systems, an imprint of BowTie Press. Purchase Understanding Reptile Parasites here.

-Kathy