Worms! Worms! Worm! Help

[casportpony]

Slightly de-railing, but I've got a couple of questions.

People keep posting about using apple cider vinegar in the chickens's water - but I've read on some threads that it's all but useless unless it's got 'mother' in it. No one (that I've seen yet) has posted a picture of this 'mother' but she's apparently pretty hard to find. It's been described as some sort of film on the surface or as a cloudy look to the vinegar or even as nasty looking bits of stuff floating in it. I've scoured my local grocery stores & department stores and haven't found anything that lists 'mother' on the label anywhere. So which is it? Is the widely available ACV useful or not? Do I have to find a specialty store somewhere to get this 'mother' stuff?

Also, I was under the impression that DE works by scratching up the surface of the 'bugs' and causing them to dehydrate and die. So does it work inside the bird??

I'm just keep seeing information that seems to contradict.

Funny you should bring this up... My avian vet just told me that I should start my sick peafowl on "raw, unfiltered ACV", so this is what I bought at Safeway, but I have also seen it at Walmart, so it should be easy to get.

 

[cowcreekgeek]

My avian vet just told me that I should start my sick peafowl on "raw, unfiltered ACV" ...

I'm sure hopin' your avian vet explained the reason for any preference, and provided a specific dosage (please, of course ~'-)

 

[Doubleyolker]

I saw acv with mother at walmart. Looked just like the stuff I got at the health food store . Its Heitz brand raw unfiltered all natural etc said it was "new"

 

[Suzie]

Can somebody please explain why ACV has to be of a certain type ( i.e. With Mother/Unfiltered ) the only ACV I can obtain here in France is labelled ACV, and it appears to work effectively.

Thanks

Suzie

 

[cowcreekgeek]

Can somebody please explain why ACV has to be of a certain type ( i.e. With Mother/Unfiltered ) the only ACV I can obtain here in France is labelled ACV, and it appears to work effectively.

Thanks

Suzie

I'm hopeful that casportpony's avian vet explained the preference to her, and that she'll relay that information, 'cause I'm still hopin' to find clinical evidence that the Acetic Acid Bacteria (AAB) contained w/in unpasturized ACV provides any additional benefit, although I've seen no reason to suspect it can do any harm ...

In order to have your own? Find some that isn't pasturized, and carefully search the bottles for any that appears to have cloudiness, or fine threading w/in the bottle ... pick that one, and you've got some w/ at least a bit of 'the mother' in it.

I've already learned how to isolate the specific bacteria that forms it, and quickly grow more, 'cause there really isn't all that many of 'em in there once it's been diluted into water.

 

[tammyfarms]

Once you obtain the first container of ACV with "Mother", you can make your own very inexpensively. Here are the instructions.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/99102/make-your-own-apple-cider-vinegar

 

[Chictaw]

I know how things like this can be ... once we find the enemy, we wanna kill 'em all. And, if we can't? We wanna kill 'em all, all the more. But, you're absolutely right to wait ...

I'd wait even longer.

I'd get a supplement, and good quality, fresh, non-recalled, feed. And, let 'em regain full health.

And, while they do? I'd focus all that frustration and desire to kill on the intermediate host ... exchange ant for worms, as you begin to chant, "All ants must die!" As you've learned? Gettin' worms out is much easier than keepin' eggs/larva from gettin' in.

You might even come up w/ a way you could redirect your flock to another contained area, or raise them on wire during treatment, so you can later slash 'n burn (after recovering all materials, of course ~'-)

GOOD NEWS!!

So far we have not seen any worms in three days since the last time I told you we gave them that last dose. We cleaned out all the shavings in their house and cleaned the house down with bleach. The only problem is we can't clean their run like we want, because we don't have water. We are -2 decrees at night and 31 decrees in the day. Everything is frozen. We raked the top soil as best we could. My guestion for you is, how long do we go now before we should treat again for preventive maintenance. The girls seem happy and don't seem to be eating as much. I just pray this gets our problem fixed. Going to try to get them pumpkin seeds. Heard they work good!!

 

[cowcreekgeek]

Sounds like you've given 'em a good shove back, and that you're ready/willin' to continue to fight ... there's a number of things you can do to help make their lives miserable (the worms), including the ACV in the water and DE in the food ... there's natural anthelmintics, and dietary components that can help (although I'm not the 'go to guy' on all that ~'-)

Water and shade give your enemies, and most of their intermediate hosts, the advantage.

Many folks are blessed by havin' well-informed local representatives for the Cooperative Service, and/or other resources found w/in the Colleges/Universities w/in their State ...

Eureka County Cooperative Extension Service
701 S Main
Eureka, NV 89316
Phone : (775) 237-5326


United States Dept Of Agriculture:

Consolidated Farm Service Agency, USDA,
Veterinary Services
1550 S Wells Ave Ste 100
Reno, NV 89502
Phone : (775) 784-5414

Agricultural Research Service, USDA,
Exotic & Invasive
920 Valley Rd
Reno, NV 89512
Phone : (775) 784-6057

Nevada Agricultural Statistics Service, USDA,
University of Nevada,
Reno, NV 89501
Phone : (775) 784-5584

 

[dawg53]

DE doesnt prevent nor treat worms. It's useless when wet, just like inside the chickens innards.

 

[Chictaw]

Than what do you recommend for me to give them, to help keep them healthy. Or give them more CHEMICALS to keep the worms down! When is their next dose or how long do I go now before next one. Don't like giving them chemicals.