Yet another predator attack, supersized!
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They won't do that with bears in Massachusetts as you are only relocating the problem.
They won't do that with bears in Massachusetts as you are only relocating the problem.
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Yea. What she said.
Yup.
Yea. What she said.
Yup.
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I echo this, a bear that would approach you instead of running away will also do this to anybody, including small children. At the very least call US Fish and Wildlife and get the bear relocated, away from people.
This is why people should not feed wildlife!
Of course. One of the things I like about this group is that, I expect, most understand that feeding wildlife is a problem.
I echo this, a bear that would approach you instead of running away will also do this to anybody, including small children. At the very least call US Fish and Wildlife and get the bear relocated, away from people.
This is why people should not feed wildlife!
Of course. One of the things I like about this group is that, I expect, most understand that feeding wildlife is a problem.
Keeping in mind for a while Bear were/are on the endangered list in most states.
They are now prolific and numbers have risen to outstanding levels of black bear in NH, Vt NY and Mass.
Now this over protection is leading to larger problems.
Everyone screams protect the bear, protect this species or that species right up until it comes crashing through their home, their bear feeders, mauls a child or an adult who happens up on one by accident.
Starts killing and eating their pets, floods out their land etc etc the list is endless of all the complaints from those who screamed protect them the loudest.
The over population of predators and animals in general have lead to some rather nasty encounters, plus take disease and starvation into consideration before you scream about regulated hunts.
Deer,Bear, Coyote, Coon all have seasons in which to thin down the risks, diseases and starvation factors.
Consider all this when you vote to have laws changed,
the next victim from over populated predators could just be you.
They are now prolific and numbers have risen to outstanding levels of black bear in NH, Vt NY and Mass.
Now this over protection is leading to larger problems.
Everyone screams protect the bear, protect this species or that species right up until it comes crashing through their home, their bear feeders, mauls a child or an adult who happens up on one by accident.
Starts killing and eating their pets, floods out their land etc etc the list is endless of all the complaints from those who screamed protect them the loudest.
The over population of predators and animals in general have lead to some rather nasty encounters, plus take disease and starvation into consideration before you scream about regulated hunts.
Deer,Bear, Coyote, Coon all have seasons in which to thin down the risks, diseases and starvation factors.
Consider all this when you vote to have laws changed,
the next victim from over populated predators could just be you.
Let's not forget the overpopulation of humans that are driving other species into human neighborhoods when they lose their homes to yet another shopping mall or the next subdivision on steroids. Not saying it isn't a problem - just saying let's be frank about why it's happening.
It is said there is an overpopulation of deer in NJ, with a population of approximately 150,000 (bear population may be a couple thousand, give or take). The deer are getting hit on the roads and they are eating yard plantings. Well, there are more than 8 million people in NJ now that have voraciously consumed the deer habitat to make it their own. Which species is overpopulated? Not saying there isn't a problem with deer in the roads and deer eating yard plantings, because there most certainly is, but I am saying most people in the state don't realize why there is a problem or who is really out there in explosive numbers - it's us. Whether that's right, wrong or indifferent is a matter of opinion but it is what it is in any case.
We have decisions to make - do we just keep reducing the numbers of other beings to fit more of us or do we try to strike a balance. That said, individual problems still need to be dealt with since people can't be expected to let a bear dine in their kitchen or eat their feathered friends. But the next time there is a development plan on the table that would remove a good amount of natural habitat, the more folks that can point out the inevitable ramifications of doing so, the less likely it will happen.
JJ
It is said there is an overpopulation of deer in NJ, with a population of approximately 150,000 (bear population may be a couple thousand, give or take). The deer are getting hit on the roads and they are eating yard plantings. Well, there are more than 8 million people in NJ now that have voraciously consumed the deer habitat to make it their own. Which species is overpopulated? Not saying there isn't a problem with deer in the roads and deer eating yard plantings, because there most certainly is, but I am saying most people in the state don't realize why there is a problem or who is really out there in explosive numbers - it's us. Whether that's right, wrong or indifferent is a matter of opinion but it is what it is in any case.
We have decisions to make - do we just keep reducing the numbers of other beings to fit more of us or do we try to strike a balance. That said, individual problems still need to be dealt with since people can't be expected to let a bear dine in their kitchen or eat their feathered friends. But the next time there is a development plan on the table that would remove a good amount of natural habitat, the more folks that can point out the inevitable ramifications of doing so, the less likely it will happen.
JJ
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I saw statistics recently on the number of hunting permits issued in the past few years. One big reason that there are more deer is because there are simply not as many hunters hunting them. We are clearing out wooded areas that are their natural habitat no doubt, but they are also proliferating in large amount due to lack of hunters.
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As Gypsy pointed out the bear populations are pretty much at their carrying capacity levels up here. Massachusetts, unfortunatley is human wise one of the most populated states in the country so there really is no room so to speak to even try to relocate a problem bear. In addition with good management plans the bear population has skyrocketed so that the bear populations are fairly high.
As Gypsy pointed out the bear populations are pretty much at their carrying capacity levels up here. Massachusetts, unfortunatley is human wise one of the most populated states in the country so there really is no room so to speak to even try to relocate a problem bear. In addition with good management plans the bear population has skyrocketed so that the bear populations are fairly high.
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I'm not gonna even go there............
I'm not gonna even go there............
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That is part of the problem. In Masachusetts for example the laws are so screwed up that if you were found guilty of certain crimes, even 20 years ago you can't have guns. This had a substantial effect on the # of hunters. Also another big problem with deer is their ability to adapt and live in very close proximity with humans. There are a lot of cities that have substantial deer populations here because the deer are basicly living in peoples back yards and can't be hunted.
Forgot to add that on a good note the bear did not come back again last night.....
That is part of the problem. In Masachusetts for example the laws are so screwed up that if you were found guilty of certain crimes, even 20 years ago you can't have guns. This had a substantial effect on the # of hunters. Also another big problem with deer is their ability to adapt and live in very close proximity with humans. There are a lot of cities that have substantial deer populations here because the deer are basicly living in peoples back yards and can't be hunted.
Forgot to add that on a good note the bear did not come back again last night.....
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