Young (3-4 months old) roo fading away :( Update - no cocci found, but fading continues...

That's often times 90% of the whole deal!!!

Einstein was 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration, whereas I'm 90% information and 10% inspiration and chicken poop ~'-)

Before your young roo chooses once more to yank your chain, and those over-stretched heart strings, I'd slap the whole flock around w/ Fenbendazole ... would not hesitate, or wait 'til my next trip out -- I'd go buy it, in some form, calculate the dosage for at least 20 mg/kg, and get it into them by whichever method you can.
 
Thank you, Daniel - I will call the vet. pharmacies tomorrow (today is a public holiday). I've been a bit relaxed now that he's improving but I definitely NEED to treat them for worms with the medicine you suggested (as apparently Ivermectin was not able to do the job in case they are tapeworms).
 
Thank you, Daniel - I will call the vet. pharmacies tomorrow (today is a public holiday). I've been a bit relaxed now that he's improving but I definitely NEED to treat them for worms with the medicine you suggested (as apparently Ivermectin was not able to do the job in case they are tapeworms).

You're welcome ... It'd be cheaper at farm supply stores, assuming they have 'em nearby. Last I bought was actually only 0.5%, but in a 1 lb. bag of alfalfa-based pellets, and for under $6 US. You find a your best value, and enough of it to cover your birds, 'n I'll help you do the calculations for the proper dosages.
 
Been researching where to buy this dewormer:

Found on Wiki that Fenbendazole is also Panacur... This I've heard of, used it for dogs for sure, but it says something negative about birds (although not about chickens): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenbendazole

Tomorrow will be calling the veterinary pharmacies here and the feed factory's pharmacy to see if we have it.

Lenny is thankfully doing well, he seems to be gaining weight (judging by his breast bone), his comb is pink once more but he is still rather weak and not so perky as the other two, I guess it should be expected. I'm just so relieved he's alive and eating and digesting and the results are showing. However, today he fell (instead of landing on his leggies) - my mistake, I was trying to make him stand on the carrier to take his pic :( - and he seemed to have a pain in his neck, he even closed the eye on one side for some seconds. It was like a small seizure or something. Then he recovered after a minute and was running around as usual. Poor boy.

Posting his photo anyway - he doesn't look very happy in it, but his mood is actually very ok now, his tail up, he is dustbathing in the sawdust with his sister, etc.
 
Been researching where to buy this dewormer:

Found on Wiki that Fenbendazole is also Panacur... This I've heard of, used it for dogs for sure, but it says something negative about birds (although not about chickens): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenbendazole

Tomorrow will be calling the veterinary pharmacies here and the feed factory's pharmacy to see if we have it.

Lenny is thankfully doing well, he seems to be gaining weight (judging by his breast bone), his comb is pink once more but he is still rather weak and not so perky as the other two, I guess it should be expected. I'm just so relieved he's alive and eating and digesting and the results are showing. However, today he fell (instead of landing on his leggies) - my mistake, I was trying to make him stand on the carrier to take his pic :( - and he seemed to have a pain in his neck, he even closed the eye on one side for some seconds. It was like a small seizure or something. Then he recovered after a minute and was running around as usual. Poor boy.

Posting his photo anyway - he doesn't look very happy in it, but his mood is actually very ok now, his tail up, he is dustbathing in the sawdust with his sister, etc.

You can see the thinning of the bones/tissue in the legs ... hard on you, and him. But, the vinegar in the water will help w/ that a lot -- dramatic improvements in emaciated birds, given time. As to worming in general, here's a good introduction:

http://www.healthybirds.umd.edu/disease/deworming birds.pdf

At this point, since everybody's pretty much out of the woods? I'd look for Albendazole, rather than the Fenbendazole, w/ the reasoning that it *will* eliminate everything, including tapeworms, and is still very safe for poultry. The minimum dosage I would suggest is the same 20 mg/kg of bw, based upon studies I've personally researched, so as to detiermine ideal efficacy rates for everything each can treat.

In the spring of 2006, 60 naturally infected hens obtained from a broiler-breeder farm in northwest Arkansas were used in a controlled titration study to determine the anthelmintic efficacy of albendazole in the treatment of both nematode and cestode infections. Albendazole was used at the dose rates of 0.0, 5.0, 10.0, and 20.0 mg/kg of BW, with all treatments given individually as an oral suspension on d 0 (split doses) and with necropsies for parasite collection conducted on d 7. There were 15 birds per treatment group. Statistically significant (P < 0.05) reductions in worm burdens from control levels were seen at the 5.0 mg/kg dose level for adult and larval stages of Ascaridia galli, Heterakis gallinarum, and Capillaria obsignata. A significant (P < 0.05) reduction in the numbers of Raillietina cesticillus (scolexes) from control group levels was seen only at the 20.0 mg/kg rate of treatment. For albendazole given at the rates of 5.0, 10.0, and 20.0 mg/kg, respective anthelmintic efficacies based on geometric means were 87.7, 91.2, and 98.2% (A. galli larvae); 100.0, 100.0, and 100.0% (A. galli adults); 96.9, 95.7, and 98.9% (H. gallinarum larvae); 92.7, 95.4, and 94.9% (H. gallinarum adults); 90.3, 91.3, and 95.1% (C. obsignata larvae and adults combined); and 73.1, 73.1, and 96.2% (R. cesticillus). No adverse reactions to albendazole were observed in this study.

I also prefer individually dosing birds 1/2 dosages twice daily, so as to be certain these minimums are met for every bird -- big fan of splitting dosages, as it just makes the most sense to me to have 5~7 hours between each half, so you can maximize the absorption rates ... anyhow ...

Albendazole at Drugs.com: http://www.drugs.com/ingredient/albendazole.html

Another use of google is to focus your search upon a specific website, such as ebay.com, which helps to show availability of OTC medications, and often, generic or other brand/trade names ... try this link: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=albendazole+site:ebay.com
 
Many, many thanks! I will report as soon as I find it (and under what name I find it here).
 
Dudu... I am still here following the progress of Lenny! I am so pleased that D@niel has given you such wonderful support.... My prayers are with you both!

Suzie

p.s. I use Panacur for my horses - it may be freely available in Malta too.
 
Many, many thanks! I will report as soon as I find it (and under what name I find it here).

You're welcome ... there are other active ingredients to choose from, rather than my personal favorites (albendazole, fenbendazole), and there are a variety of concentrations on the market -- it's all about the 'parts per million' in that just about anything w/ the appropriate ingredients will work, provided the math is double-checked. And, then, checked again, just to be absolutely certain.

Noteworthy points, and active ingredients, to consider:

0. Praziquantel is 100% effective against adult tapeworms at the dosage of 10 mg/kg, provided there is no resistance.
Fenbendazole is proven safe, even to 50 times the dosage of 20 mg/kg, but doesn't treat tapeworms.
Albendazole is also proven safe at 20 mg/kg, and is effective against all intestinal worms.

1. Tramisol
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(Active ingredient: Levamisole hydrochloride) - Schering Plough.
Soluble Drench Powder approved in sheep, cattle, and pigs. Withdrawal for cattle is 48 hrs
pre-slaughter, 72 hrs pre-slaughter for sheep and 72 hrs for pigs. Levamisole will not settle out in
medication lines. Chicken and turkey dose is 16 mg active levamisole per pound of body weight
delivered by proportioner over 3-4 hours as a bolus for capillaria and cecal worms in pullets and
hens. There is no effect on hatch, egg production, feed conversion, or body weight when used at 8
and 16 mg/pound of body weight dose. However, in the chicken, at 36 mg/pound, water intake is
reduced, at 288 mg/pound, diarrhea occurs, and at 900 mg/pound, 20% mortality occurred. Egg
residue clearance time is not known. For roundworms in broilers/pullets, the dose is 8 mg of active
levamisole per pound of body weight. This is given as a bolus over 3-4 hours. Tissue withdrawal
times and egg withdrawal times must be extrapolated and extended for safety based on data from
approved food animal clearances (3,4,5,6,7,8).

2. Valbazen
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Oral Suspension (Active ingredient: Albendazole) - Pfizer Animal Health
Albendazole has been reported to be effective in the treatment of capillaria, ascaridia, heterakis, and
tape worms in chickens. It has been labeled only for cattle and sheep. There is no poultry data
available. Settling in drinker lines has not been reported as has been seen with other anthelmentics in
this class. Cattle require a 7 day withdrawal and sheep require a 7 day withdrawal pre-slaughter.
There is no available data on tissue or egg clearance time in poultry. There have been no reported
negative effects on the performance of broilers, pullets and hens. Valbazen is supplied in 500 ml,
1 liter, and 5 liter bottles of an 11.36% suspension. In chickens, the reported dose is 10 mg/kg of body
weight (personal communication).
The cattle dose is 1 liter of Valbazen 11.36% Suspension per 500 lb as an oral bolus via dosing gun
or dose syringe. (4.54 mg albendazole/lb, 10 mg/kg). Sheep dose is 1 liter of Valbazen 11.36%
Suspension per 664 animals weighing 50 lbs each (3.4 albendazole/lb, 7.5 mg/kg).

3. Synanthic
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Bovine Dewormer Suspension, (Active ingredient, 22.5%: Oxfendazole) -
Fort Dodge Animal Health
Synanthic is reported to be effective for capillaria, ascarids, and heterakis. Synanthic does have
activity against cattle tape worms, however, there is no data whether it will work against poultry
tapeworms.
There is 225 mg oxfendazole per ml and it is supplied in a 500 ml bottle for cattle. The
withdrawal time is 7 days for cattle. There is no tissue-clearance data available for poultry, nor any
data available on side-effects in poultry. The cattle dose is 2.05 mg/pound of body weight
(4.5 mg/kg B.W.). There is also a 9.06% suspension available in a 1 liter bottle (90.6 mg/ml of
oxfendazole). Settling out in water lines without agitation can be a problem (personal
communication).
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4. Safe-guard (Active ingredient: 10% suspension, Fenbendazole) - Beef and dairy cattle,
oral parasiticide - Hoechst-Roussel
Effective against capillaria, round, and cecal worms in chickens (not approved in chickens). It is
approved for turkeys as a feed additive, 20% premix type A and B, 16ppm (14.6 gm/ton complete
feed for 6 consecutive days) for control of adult and larvae round worms and cecal worms.
The cattle dose is 2.3 mg/pound BW (5 mg/kg BW) as an oral bolus. Beef cattle withdrawal is
8 days following the last treatment. For dairy cattle, there is no milk withdrawal time. Safe-guard
is supplied in 1 liter and 1 gallon bottles. There may be a problem with settling out in drinker lines
without agitation (personal experience).

5. Ivermectin (1% injectable for cattle)
Since Ivermectin went off-patent, there are several manufacturers producing it. Ivermectin has been
used orally via extra-label scripts to treat Northern Fowl Mite and capillaria infestations. Only mites
that are on the birds are killed. The 1% injectable cattle formulation has been used as follows
(personal communication):
• 1 ml of 1% Ivermectin injectible + 1 ml. propylene glycol + 2 gal H2O, proportion at 1
oz./gal D.W.
• Administer 2 times, 10-14 days apart. There is a 30 day withdrawal (destroy commercial
eggs for 30 days post-therapy.)
 
So I called all our vet. pharmacies today and found out the following:

1) There is Panacur (fenbendazole) paste for horses

2) There is Praziquantel in the form of tablets (not sure for what type of animals) - could I dissolve it in water and give to chickens?

3) There is a product with Albendazole as active ingredient - it's in a liquid form and meant for sheep.

I am going to call my veterinarian also, but what are your opionions/experiences? Should I go for #3?
 
OK, just wanted to say that our doc gave the go ahead for the Albendazole solution for sheep - once I get it, I will have to figure out the dose which he kindly offered to do for me as well.

Will update!
 

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