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that would be quite a move!

Hi KendyF, I think you have hit on something of concern/interest to me. This thread was devoted to the Alternative SOP, not the SOP for the Cream Legbar. I think it is confusing to focus on the regular Cream Legbar in this thread. I don't think it serves a purpose to try to have a sort of...

Maybe we could target a few locations next year in different regions. There are a few in California (including the nationals), and I imagine other areas as well.

Thanks for your comments on your hen, I would also think her hackles are not cream from the picture. It seems like cream hackles have more contrast against the body of the hens, whereas in this case the hackle color is more in keeping with the overall tones/color of the body.

Cute with good color is how my best foundation hen started out. Happily she keeps producing pullets more than any other hen, and they always have a nice gray & cream crest and usually end up with cream hackles; her rooster is split for cream. She is also tiny but lays a normal size egg and the...

I agree, some nice long backs, and yes! what a pretty yard @KendyF =)

I'll venture to say that two are not too dark to be used in a cream breeding program, and two might have extra melanization you would have to breed out. But it's difficult to say without a closer shot. From this view I'm not sure if I would say any of them are double for cream...

Previously on this thread @nicalandia has indicated that the double barring and double cream are the key contributors in this breed variety to create "cream" hackles and saddles. @KPenley has done a lot of research as well.

What I get from this statement is that you do not accept the concept that the gold wing triangle is an indication that the rooster lacks two cream genes; or that you accept a rooster which is single for cream. And why not have a much more saturated crele variety? I feel like trying to blend...

I'd like to hear from @KPenley on this one…see picture in post above Also, I believe @dretd said she is split for cream?

No worries, I was just wondering if there are any deviations from the example you posted. I am also seeing similar characteristics to your roo, most notably the lack of gold in the wing triangle and the muted shoulder. I was surprised how such a colorful shoulder could become so muted, but that...

I think we have all agreed in the past that he is a fine example of creamy white / pale buttery. I think the pale buttery could be a little stronger and that would be fine too. The point I am making is that he does not have gold in his wing triangle, and his shoulders are a much more muted...

Hi @dretd thanks for your posts. To anyone, can you post examples of a CL rooster with pale buttery hackle and saddle feathers (more matched than mismatched) that does not have a gold wing triangle? If the wing triangle is the "tell" for gold vs cream, then I think an example as...

Hi @ChicKat regarding the UK judge and "what is cream"…who is "we", and in what way was that "answer" applied to our understanding of the proposed SOP? Is there anything that has been generated within this thread that has specifically changed the course and understanding of the proposed SOP?

Thanks for posting dretd I hope we do hear from @fowlman01 Meanwhile I'll pop in for some comments: question #1 - a) Cream = ig/ig is the answer for me question #2 - I think the current naming conventions "Cream" and "Crele" are fine, if the Cream has a softer overall look and the Crele has a...

@ChicKat thank you for your gracious remarks in light of the chart discussion. My comment was directly to @junibutt who proposed the chart as something that should be voted on and incorporated at some level with the SOP. The chart reminds me very much of Henk69's graphics on the chicken...

I do not agree that the color chart is a useful reference. Sorry ChicKat, I've tried to avoid saying this, but it keeps coming up.

please send some snow to California next year!

On the crest topic - has anyone else noticed the absence of dark crests on roosters? Any ideas why that is? While hens exhibit the "typical" cream and grey crests, as well a range of dark (melanized?) crests, I am not seeing those same dark colors with the roosters. My flock ranges between...

I'd like to add, the nuances of what is or isn't cream, is part of why I think this thread is important. Not to dissect the words of the SOP or haggle over pictures, but to spend some time breeding colorful stock, as a counterpoint to also working on the less colorful cream stock. I hold fast...