Question on GMO feed

[Kilkenny]

Remember this about GMO free chicken food. GMO feed (if there is such a thing) has very likely been raised with the aid of some very nasty insecticides. There are no or almost no insecticides of any kind used on GMO grain crops and no poisons are produced by GMO crops. The thing in GMO corn that protects it from the European corn borer is a fragment of a naturally occurring uni-cell organism that is living in the dirt beneath you chickens' feet even as I type this.

It's like everything else in life, yous pays your money and yous takes your chances.

Utsi the 5,300 year old Austrian Ice Man was found with an undigested meal in his transverse colon. His last meal included bread made from einkorn, an ancient type of wheat grown and eaten by humans before we developed the technology to bake soft bread by making it rise with yeast and gluten. So over the last 5,300 years the wheat we eat has been extensively modified by humans with or without the help of gene splicing technology.

FDR's former Vice President and the 1948 Socialist Presidential candidate Henry A Wallace developed the first successful hybrid corn seeds almost 100 years ago. Wallace's hybrid seed corn proved so much better than the seed corn that the farmers saved from the previous years harvest and re-planted the next Spring, that despite low crop prices, despite the Dust Bowl, and despite the Great Depression by 1940 most of the corn produced in America were hybrid corn varieties.

GMO technology is the new hybrid seed corn. Hybrid seed corn has led to an increase of 1,000% or better in corn production. Whether GMOs result in an increase in food production of this magnitude is besides the point. GMOs have already resulted in a massive reduction in the use of most pesticides.

Just a couple of things here. Hybridization does not involve using a virus to introduce genetic material from an unrelated species into the genetic structure of an organism. Genetic Modification does exactly that. Hybridization happens in nature all the time - GMO does not happen naturally (and to the extent that it does, i.e. where some virus gets into the organism and starts introducing DNA, it's pathogenic).

You're mistaken about the absence of pesticides. That gene you're talking about is there to make the corn produce pesticide internally. Yep, the gene is added in order to make the corn toxic - it's intended to make it toxic to the insect pest, but that depends on the concentration.

There has already been a case of a GMO corn being introduced and subsequently withdrawn from the market because it made too much toxin and was not safe as feed for animals. That one was only permitted on the market to be used as animal feed and was explicitly not to be used in products for human consumption. Of course it showed up in human foods fairly quickly, because you can't control what corn pollinates what other corn.

No doubt someone will say that I'm wrong and it doesn't work like that and no corn has ever been pulled off the market. They should do better research before they make that assertion, because if they do then they will know that I have my facts straight.

 

[Summerlove]

Using a laundry detergent additive like zeolite in the shavings has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen recently. Keep the ammonia down? How about chicks eating it? Putting goslings in with baby chicks? Despite some good info from that site, that video was lame.

Zeolite is silica based, your hair and nails are made out of silica. Zeolite is not toxic you can buy it at health food stores and take it yourself it helps remove heavy metals, carcinogens etc, it is a pH balancer and it is expelled naturally it doesn't stay in your system.

 

[Kilkenny]

I eat apricot seeds all the time (it's a cancer killer and keeps my cancer at bay) and I'm not dead. The kind of cyanide in these seeds does not kill humans -- nothing has ever proved that it kills humans. As for chickens, it is a naturally occurring substance and animals eat in nature what they need when they can find it. As for cyanide in apricot pits, you can research worldwithoutcancer.org. I know that doesn't deal with chickens, but your comment about putting it on children's plates necessitated this comment.

Not meaning to offend anyone -- just wanted to let you know my personal experience has been.

mmm.. actually, I'm pretty certain it has been proven - as in, people have died from eating too many apple seeds at one sitting. Chemicals used in chemotherapy are a delicate balancing act, because they are toxic to the patient, not just to the target cancer cells. Dosage has to be handled with great care. The seeds of some edible fruit are themselves not suitable for eating in any quantity due to the presence of toxic chemicals in those seeds - naturally occurring, but still toxic.

 

[chickengeorgeto]

I hinted in my previous post that the antis would not acknowledge real proof about the Bt organism. I gave everyone all the proof needed that what I said about Bt pesticides is true. Bt is sprayed in wholesale amounts on so called organic crops.

It should be obvious to everyone whose mind is not made up that it is a waste of time to confuse anti-GMO types with the truth. Speaking truth to ignorance only confuses the anti Monsanto folks. Check out the link to the University of California at San Diego that I posted. It is not a figment of my imagination, it is the flaming truth and the institution of higher learning that said it is one of the major universities in Mr. Apple's own state.

The only retort that people who don't like Monsanto can come up with when confronted with the truth about GMOs is to insult people who disagree with them by hinting that they are greedy Capitalist whose Great Great Grand Daddy invested in 3M stock 2 centuries ago. The people reading this can take whatever meaning you wish away from this but as for myself calling people who disagrees with you "Monsanto stock holders" or employees is in the mind of the ones making this statement the ultimate insult and this insult it is meant to convey the International Socialist goals of rabid anti Monsanto political activist.

 

[chickengeorgeto]

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...No doubt someone will say that I'm wrong and it doesn't work like that and no corn has ever been pulled off the market. They should do better research before they make that assertion, because if they do then they will know that I have my facts straight.

You are correct in that some GMO products were withdrawn or never used. There are more than one reason for this, safety was one, low yields was another. However removing a GMO from the market place disproves the antis statement that no testing or research has been done on the effects of GM crops.
Your words imply that testing and research is ongoing and rigerous. Thank you.

 

[Kilkenny]

Obviously you're also against sticking to the truth instead of just repeating alarmist misinformation.
There is NO wording in the law that would stop the Govt from halting sales if it was PROVEN there was any REAL danger.

I bet you've never even seen what it REALLY says:
http://kfolta.blogspot.com/2013/03/does-anyone-read-it-before-opposing-it.html

It just protects farmers from having their livelyhoods destroyed when someone filing a lawsuit wins a temporary victory in a lower court, by waiting until there is a FINAL ruling, and all appeals are completed.

I am curious as to where you find the language limiting this to decisions of a lower court pending appeal. The words are not in the language you have quoted. The language you have quoted does, on its face, give the FDA authority to permit a farmer to continue doing business in a manner that has been prohibited by a court order. All of the "interim" phrasing, all of the language about while the FDA investigates further - no time limits evident on any of that, so an interim permit could run for an indeterminate time, and could be done despite a ruling by the US Supreme Court prohibiting the action.

I have doubts as to the constitutionality of a clause that allows an executive branch department to simply override a judicial branch ruling. Whole division of powers and equality of the branches of government thing. Whether or not it will survive a challenge will have to wait until the case arises, but it seems on its face there's a problem.

 

[Kilkenny]

Quote:
You are correct in that some GMO products were withdrawn or never used. There are more than one reason for this, safety was one, low yields was another. However removing a GMO from the market place disproves the antis statement that no testing or research has been done on the effects of GM crops.
Your words imply that testing and research is ongoing and rigerous. Thank you.

And your words more than imply that you cannot help yourself about twisting anything to fit your prejudices.

It has been stated repeatedly that GMO crops do no harm.

That is a falsehood - you know, a lie.

It has been stated that there are no studies establishing that they do cause harm.

That is also a falsehood, a lie.

Demonstrable fact that products have been released and then subsequently withdrawn does not prove that there is rigorous testing going on - the product should never have reached the market to be withdrawn were there rigorous testing by the manufacturers. It does prove that there are still some mechanisms at work to protect us from these manufacturers, at least to some degree.

But you've clearly had a large dose of the kool-aide, what with your irrational accusations against all those who are opposed to GMOs.

 

[loraleaf]

havent even read a single reply...nut this is crap! You can get non gmo feed and I pay $22.50 for 50# not a "premium" price by far..if you buy organic it will automatically be non gmo... the best bet would be any grain approved by the non gmo project...

 

[loraleaf]

No one has ever proven the gmo's are safe either...."no evidence of harm" is all they have found and that's vastly different than evidence of no harm!

 

[RaccoonRancher]

havent even read a single reply...nut this is crap! You can get non gmo feed and I pay $22.50 for 50# not a "premium" price by far..if you buy organic it will automatically be non gmo... the best bet would be any grain approved by the non gmo project...

.~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~Smart man!...Now to save the rest of us from so much technnical (or non-technical) theories, would you share the name brand of the NON GMO Chicken Feed??...Maybe others would join in on both NON GMO brands & GMO Brands so we all can just choose what we prefer...thnx.....interesting posting tho