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cocci . . . *updated questions p. 3*

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how did she do? i hopped around all last nite - one of them was roosting in a different place than the others - but it was hot and swampy so i couldnt tell if it was good or bad.

i raced outside EARLY and everyone is fine. i tried out a new waterer to get everyone's attention so they'd all drink. this worked. still a couple droopy ones but much much better. i'm also going to put red marbles in one of the drinkers to big to swallow but interesting to peck at.

i tried the egg and everyone ate it (thanks threehorses for the assessment) - i'll give another today.

and yes this is so nerve wracking!!! ughgghhh!!!

let me know how your gal did - good luck!
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she is up and around this morning (I know I raced out there at 6 am) still VERY pale. I have been going out during the day and sprinkling just a little corn around the waterer and they all come running and drink to. I'm going to force a little more water into her today and tomorrow. i think she is going to make it, but it's about to get really hot here and I want extra meds in her incase the heat stresses her as well.
 
good to hear she is up! isnt that the LONGEST walk ever?? ugh!

i'm making the rounds again with fresh medicated water - everyone looks pretty good today.

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SULMET
)A) for the flock do this
THIS CAN BE MADE INTO 1 QT OF DRY FEED
2 QTS OF WATER
AND THEN ADD THE 2 TSPS OF SULMET



Hi Glenda, sorry to be dense, but am I supposed to put the Sulmet in the feed? It's a liquid. I was told at agway to put a tbsp/gal. Right now it's just in the water. (This is my first post on this subject because all my questions have been answered so far - thanks!) I have one hen that I don't think will make it. Lost two pullets that had no diarrhea, just drooped one day and dead the next.
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This hen is almost two. I've had chickens for five years and have never had cocci, so I'm a little worried. My oldest girls are five, down to four months old. I got all the stuff today to make the probiotic mash - how do I make sure they all get enough? There are twenty of them and I'm sure you know what a feeding frenzy it is.


PS - what's amprolium?
 
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What's going on with these birds now? This is too long if it were coccidiosis. They'd either be over it or dead.

What's the latest? It's been a month since the lasts posts - are you still having birds die?

Just make a big batch - once the first ones have some of the feed, put them in a different pen - let the lower ones get some.

Have you treated with anything recently? I wouldn't use Sulmet at this point - you'll just kill good bacteria and honestly it's way past the point.

What about current diet?

Amprolium is the anti-cocci ingredient that is in light doses (just enough to prevent small blooms) in starter feed, and is in "-cide" dosages (enough to treat an infestation) in the product Corid.
 
My birds haven't been sick since the last posts - I just came on last to get info Tuesday night after my big hen started failing and had the runs. I lost the two pullets about two weeks ago, maybe three. On Wednesday, I went to Agway and got the sulmet and put it in the water. Gave some to the sick hen directly, plus some vitamins a few hours later. On Friday, put her in her own cage cause she was pretty weak, with some food she didn't touch, though she drank a little. She died Sat. nite.

No one else has any symptoms of real illness. There are still some wet stools, but I've checked everyone's butt, so it's not from one hen.

The only thing I see is something a few of the girls have had for quite some time - slighly swollen faces, and limp combs. Other than that, they are good weight, eat well, get along with the others. lay. My two buff rocks have been like this since they wers about six months old, so I thought maybe it was something with the breed. There are no mites or lice that I can see, except for my banty roo who has a deformed neck and can't clean himseld. Because of him, I check often. I use plenty of DE all over, and that seems to help a lot.

Just seems this summer to not be the energy level there used to be. Except, of course, when I bring treats! Speaking of which, I'm going to start Glenda's probiotic batch today when I get back from work. Current diet is layer pellets, big scoop of 5-grain scratch in the morning, kitchen or store treats ~three days a week.

Thanks for your help. I never see anyone else's birds because there's so few near me, so when they get sick, there's no one to ask or to look at them. - Mary
 
Ahhh the swollen faces are a sign of illness, so that might be why using the Sulmet 'fixed' the rest of the flock (but was too late for the one). Sulmet is not only for coccidiosis, it's also an antibiotic treating Pasteurella which can be carried. It can also have light 'static' activity against other bacteria which makes me wonder if you didn't knock back some other illness.

I would consider treating them strongly once, the whole flock. A deformed neck could be the wry neck from pasteurella (cholera).

These are the details that I so absolutely crave when people come on and need help. See, everything is absolutely unquestionably important. Everything in the flock. You might not have seen a neck as important, a puffy face, but those are two of the most hallmark signs of a disease that quite likely killed your other hens. So just take this as a lesson (as it's also a reminder lesson to me to push for all information I can get) in that never leave anything out, no matter how remote it seems.

I would definitely get a stronger medicine and treat for cholera. And I would do the probiotics. If you didn't use a full 7 day treatment of Sulmet, I'd do that now.

I'm a bit relieved in the new information in that maybe now we can get some good answers for you and some relief.
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Natalie, thank you so much for your response! What medicine do your suggest for the cholera? Is it a prescription? I guess I assumed that the birds just would not live long with anything bad, and their faces have been like that since at least the early spring. It never occured to me that my little roo's neck was anything other than a birth defect, although he didn't have it as a small chick. It's so great that I can come on here and get some answers. I would have signed on sooner about the others - I lost four this winter, mostly young ones - but there were no symptoms. Just puffed up a little in the afternoon, still eating and drinking, in 24 hrs, gone. Another the same the next month. I'll try and get some picks of my ailing girls up tonight or tomorrow.

PS - when you say "treat them strongly", how much Sulmet per gallon?
 
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Well first, we don't really know that it's truly cholera - but at least all the signs point more towards than than other things. That doesn't sound too convincing, but the swollen faces and neck issue (torticollis) are enough to at least rule this out. Sulmet works. Penicillin is better but not as easy to find or give. I'd give the full-strength dosage of Sulmet but for 7 days, not five, with daily probiotics and daily vitamins via feed. Vitamins and probiotics (yogurt is fine with sulmet) can be given during a daily wet mash in the morning - which makes it easy to give to the whole flock. 2 teaspoons per gallon of water, 7 days total.
 

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