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  1. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    Forgetting about the whole "food grade plastic", etc.... Are you doing a yeast or LAB based fermentation? If you are doing LAB, are you doing it with an anaerobic or aerobic bacteria? Reason is....a yeast based or aerobic bacteria based fermentation will not do well (mostly die) in an...
  2. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    Yes, it counts as an additional "meat protein". Whey and yogurt are also milk derived proteins. I'm glad to hear you're having such great results, Art Yes. The bacteria infests the ferment (which includes the grains).
  3. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    - I use a spreadsheet which is easier for me (it actually works without having to call on Pearson's Square); but, I use the square to confirm my ration calculations. I do like my sanity checks. I was going to use a ledger; but, I've found that I'm now totally lazy when it comes to arithmetic...
  4. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    Yes, they are indeed easy....The gal at the feed store this side of the highway does mealworm farming and has offered time and again to help me get set up. But, I just don't have the space for the volume of mealworms I'd have to process to meet my current (and growing) requirements. I don't...
  5. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    ...yes, it is more than fine to use yeast....
  6. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    I don't use limestone grit as grit. I thought I mentioned that, I guess I worded myself poorly . It's a calcium supplement....It can, depending on what you're feeding, work as a grit for short periods. Many dispute that, and I'm not in the mood to argue it. As always, personal preference...
  7. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    yes, the comment was in that string of information. Superbly well hidden. ((it really was well hidden in a rather lengthy sentence after "powdered mealworms")) I just don't have the time or space at the moment to mess with it. Considering the rate I go through mealworms, I'm going to have...
  8. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    I do the same thing for mine who are pinned up - they have a basin of poultry grit and a basin of calcium. I live on a limestone infested riverside, so my free rangers are constantly gobbling the stuff down. I do have some grit and calcium out for them; but, they pretty much ignore it. You...
  9. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    Lacy, my system crashed the other night in the lightning storm and wiped out my drives. I'm currently restoring the data; but, it's going to take a while. As soon as I get the files back online (thank goodness for Carbonite). I'll pull up the file and post my recipes. I can give you a rough...
  10. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    Didn't say you should avoid them. I said if you avoid FERMENTING them...fermenting fishmeal smells like a dead body on the side of the road that has laid there a few days in high temperatures...so - yeah, I prefer to avoid meat byproducts in my ferment. I am still working on finishing off...
  11. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    If you avoid any feeds that have meat products in them (ie. fishmeal, "meat byproducts", etc) then you'll know the second it goes bad because it will stink. A grain fermentation or a crumbles/pellet fermentation without meat products in it has a yeasty fermenting smell that you are used to...
  12. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    There are quite a few scientific articles that cover it. I have them saved on my other computer; but, if you search for "crude protein increase fermentation" you should find some. The average has shown to be around 3% so far as I recall. So, obviously, the thing to keep an eye on is also...
  13. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    I wonder if I'm the only one that randomly cackles at her husband as he walks by when I'm stirring my "Brew" (as he calls it)...
  14. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    All I can imagine is that someone likes to leave the wood in the FF bucket....or lives in an environment that is not conducive to prompt drying...that would be a bad thing as it would encourage mold. But, I use a big, old bit of wood to stir every day. Have done for quite some time. A good...
  15. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    It depends on the type of fermentation you are doing. I'm doing a yeast based fermentation. If doing a yeast based fermentation, it then depends on what type of yeast colony you are using. Some colonies prefer it in the low to mid 70s. Some prefer it around 62-65. I have found that if I...
  16. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    ~70 or so. I control it with a proportional thermostat.
  17. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    I have not; however, I used a thermal pad that's intended to be used for herps. I have a lot of stuff left over from my reptile rescue days so it sees a lot of unconventional use. I keep my FF outside at all times - and, the thermal pad kept the ferment going great even in the cooler months...
  18. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    I agree about dogs not exactly being grain eaters. The amino acids, macro and micro nutrients, etc are different in a meat diet than a grain/omnivore diet. They can eat an omnivorous diet; but, their bias is toward that of a carnivore. It's one reason I try to limit the amount of scratch my...
  19. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    **grins** yup - you are not alone This is a great site for information and just getting to know others who share your passion. Welcome aboard.
  20. Kilsharion

    Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

    I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who has dogs that chow down on their FF. We have one (Australian Terrier) who actually eats scratch at scratch time, too...that dog is a mess.
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