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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    I looked at your pullet photo with the eye issue- I'm not a vet, but, don't cull yet... it does not look like Merricks, IMO. Her eyes are still changing color and may completely get rid of the dark areas when they change to bay at POL. She may also have "Dirty" eyes, (Melanotic spots) of...
  2. One Chick Two

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Yes, certain. Show Judge Brian Decker straightened me out on Carnation Comb as well. lol You will see it mentioned more about Penedesenca combs. The person who wrote that article was a newer breeder at that time. Here is a really good snippet about Coronation combs...
  3. One Chick Two

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Yes, This is Coronation Comb, unfortunately. Carnation comb is not the actual name of the abnormal comb. Side sprigs are not the same thing... just differing mutations on the same allele. He would be culled here. Also, the parents would be split up, with differing partners to try to find a...
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    It's not too early to start. You care enough to ask questions and learn about them. Getting good eggs from a quality breeder would take years off of your breeding program. I suggest getting enough eggs so that you can cull hard. You need a good male, and hackled female who should lay somewhat...
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    No prob. Yes, there is a LOT that is subjective and interpretation. However, the birds need a balanced body to start from, and that is clear. If you look at the SOP suggested drawing, you can see his legs are placed right in the center so he has plenty of rear end and abdominal width. I would...
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    First you want to look at type before you check color. His type is off. He is pretty lanky, with little body cavity width/depth. He is all chest, and has very little rear end, so his balance is off. (Legs too far back as in diagram.) Next look to color. Look at saddle feathers to...
  7. One Chick Two

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Here is the area I thought might be a sprig. Also noticed his eyes are pretty light.
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    This male's type is excellent- tail, gorgeous! His feet look awfully light and pink in this photo- on my monitor I'm not seeing any slate at all. Also, believe there may be a sprig at the rear of his comb. Still... his topline and tail are amazing.
  9. One Chick Two

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    I was thinking he was younger. The male I showed the photo of was 8 months old at the time. Yes, relaxed side photos are the best for determining where a particular bird is really at. I like to kneel on one knee (so I am not looking down at them, which distorts the body). Also, if you can get an...
  10. One Chick Two

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    How old is your boy? He may be a bit young still and needs to mature and fill out more. Here's my two cents...There are a few things I noticed. First, his type body balance visually seems a little off in this photo. His body cavity appears not very deep, and his back appears short. His neck is...
  11. One Chick Two

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    gotro17, I love BCM roosters. They are usually (at least the lines we've had, and we have had many) docile, easy going, affectionate, sweet natured, great with the hens... integrate great with other males- even of other breeds- if they are raised together. They can be good friends with each...
  12. One Chick Two

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    When the chicks are expressing mossiness plus shafting, and also too much chest leakage... it is sounding as though you may have Wheaten crossed into your BCM. Test mating the parents to a Wheaten based bird would help you to determine which, or if both of them are crosses, so you can...
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Show a photo of the feet. Most 6 week old Marans have green-gray eyes that turn to Bay often right before or around maturity or point of lay.
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Quote: So sorry. We have had experience with that from hatching eggs as well when we were starting out. We spent our first two years selecting different lines, then test mating for Wheaten and other flaws. However, as many poorly bred lines lines out there, there are some solid lines out...
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Quote: Also, the yellow in shanks means there is a cross in that line that is not Marans. Once you see yellow shanks in a line, you cannot use siblings for BCM breeding that are not expressing yellow, as they can be carrying genes for it without showing outward signs themselves- and yellow...
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Too soon to cull on color...or body type. Feathers on middle toe- Do this after you have fixed more important faults- think of this as a detail...like as frosting on a cake. Shafting on feathers? I would wait longer. You might get an amazing male who only has this as a color fault to work...
  17. One Chick Two

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Wait on him. There's a lot of changes that happen.
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Ideally, a breeder should be very careful to separate eggs while hatching, and chicks in hatcher/brooder, and toe punch when going into the brooder they will live in (and check after a week to make sure it has not grown in) or, wing tag chicks for permanent markings. I like to mark chicks with a...
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Did you test mate? See haze on the chicks chests- are the hens overmelanized? Can we please see some photos of the parents?
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    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Post a photo if you can. Is this what you are seeing on wings? and this on the chest? The white wing feathers can show onto white juvenile, or teenage feathers for months... you just don't want white feathers in their adult plumage. Normal for youngsters. The bottom photo of the white...
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