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Perfectly stated. Thank you.

It just seems that some people who are obsessed with getting a specifically "dark red" color lose sight of type in the process. Edited by staff

Ok, so this begs the question: If you were judging two Buckeyes, and one had a great deal of slate bar (all over) and one had a lesser amount (and that only in the saddle feathers), and the one with the lesser amount had superior type, that bird would be placed higher, yes?

No, not here they haven't. Elsewhere, yes, repeatedly. And this was one of a batch of 25 chicks sold to a customer. Not a started bird. When I say I sell chicks from "show quality" birds, the understanding is that they may grow up to be show quality themselves. And they can, as this bird...

It's not just people, it's the Standard for the breed. You can either breed to the Standard, or not, no one is forcing anyone to do so. But judges can and do notice bar of slate where it's not supposed to be, and some will knock you for it. Just fyi...

Are you the original source of all this material? All that being said, we have to bear in mind that with any bird being judged at a show, Type is 60%, Color is 30%, and Condition is 10%.

Here's another of my birds with a show win (from last year), CH LF at the Something to Crow About show. Just to demonstrate I don't always keep all the very best birds for myself, LOL:

He's looking very good, you're doing a good job with him! Nice wide chest. Wish his comb were smaller (sorry about that kiddo), but I like his breadth a lot. All those boys remind me of a group of Jersey Boys who've been working out at the gym.

I like to think we've gotten that color down too. Two recent show winners, K and P:

Not to pick a nit, but it's Mahogany Red, not brown. Or, in the words of the originator "The RIR are a sorrel, and the Buckeyes are a bay red, comparing them as one would cattle or horses of the same shades." And she also said "The Buckeye should be as much darker in color than the accepted...

LOL! Sent a PM because posting links to breed clubs is a no-no in this thread. And hey, I can appreciate a good HRIR as well as anyone! If for no other reason than they were near and dear to Bob Blosl's heart...

LOL, not at all. They aren't even in the same pens, the cockerels are all by themselves in The Bachelor Pad. No access to the females at all.

I quite agree. Molting birds usually do not lay, as you say. But in my experience, sometimes, in the process of coming back into lay, the egg-laying apparatus misfires, and sends out an egg either with a thin shell, or none at all. It usually resolves itself in a day or two. If I found one who...

Thank you. The LF judge was Jim Adkins, who (if I recall correctly) has now or in the past raised Buckeyes himself.

I agree. I always advise people to read and think about what they've read. Take what works for you and discard the rest.

And here are some plans for building a trapnest, which could help determine which chicken is having the problem with the thin shelled eggs: http://www.themodernhomestead.us/article/trap+nests.html

And your advice to her to determine which bird(s) are laying the thin-shelled eggs? Surely she shouldn't have to kill them all if only one bird is having this problem. That seems extreme. Of course, she could build a trapnest (if she had the skills to do so) which would tell her, but in the...

I agree, using water to deliver drugs is less than ideal, but for those who are not practiced in giving IM, IV, or sub-cutaneous injections, it's a much better way to do so than to experiment, which can sometimes have fatal results (giving a shot of antibiotics IV that is meant to be IM can kill...

Yes, you read that in another Internet forum, where I posed the question about the use of ACV for thin-shelled and shelless eggs to a vet I know. So, given he feels it has little to no effectiveness, what do you recommend Joe? The point of this particular sub-thread was to help the OP fix this...