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  1. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    You must be right about cow milk being bad for people. My family members all drank a lot of it throughout their whole lives and most of them are dead now. Milk must be a slow poison though. It took over 90 years for it to do them in. One of my cousins, who is an avid milk drinker, is still...
  2. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    They don't drink it only because they don't have access to it. A lot of animals will drink milk if they can get it. Here is a list of just some of the critters I have personally seen drink milk. All of them were well past weaning by the way. Monkeys, chimps, adult lactating dairy goats, dogs...
  3. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    I don't know why you would say the dairy industry lies when they say milk is good for you. It is good for you unless for some reason you can't tolerate it. Most of my relatives drank a lot of milk all of thier lives. Since they tend to die in their very late 90's, it couldn't be too bad for a...
  4. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    I have no idea where you heard that, but it simply isn't true.
  5. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    Calves are bawling because they are hungry. I raised the darn things for years. You feed them and they shut up. I used to buy drop calves (newborns) and raised them up to 250 or 300 pounds. There is a lot of publicity about veal crates, but you might be hard pressed to find any. For the record...
  6. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    You haven't dealt with CAE personally, have you? It is a lifelong, painful, disfiguring, and progressive condition. Animals do not develop a resistance to it, although some animals are more severely affected than others. A few animals affected with CAE will never develop symptoms but they...
  7. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    You have a point. But for the record, a dairy cow produces waaay more milk than a calf can even think of consuming. It is not at all unusual for a good cow to produce over 100 pounds of milk a day. One gallon of milk weighs 8.6 pounds. There isn't a calf in the world that can drink that much...
  8. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    Separating young from the adults is not necessary to obtain dairy products. But in some cases separating the young from the mothers is necessary to raise healthy offspring. A case in point is CAE in dairy goats. CAE is spread in the milk. It will not affect humans who drink the milk but it...
  9. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    If you want to be vegan, fine. That said, cruelty is not necessary in order to to obtain animal products. The livestock with which I am familiar, and it's a lot because I have spent most of my life in the middlle of large agricultural areas, have all been treated decently. Just sayin'.
  10. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    Since I am neither vegetarian nor vegan, I should probably not comment. I will anyway. I suspect how well a person tolerates a vegetarian diet depends a whole lot on their own individual physiology. Some people do fine without meat and some certainly do not. My step sister has been a...
  11. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    The trouble with the Chinese study is that as well as differences in diet, differences between their lifestyle and ours are not taken into consideration. There are other factors that impact their health that are just as important, maybe more so, than what they are eating, or not eating. I...
  12. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    I didn't say people don't need sugar. But refined sugar and refined flour are very recent additions to our diet. Particularly in the quantities most people consume in this country.
  13. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    They don't eat that much in the way of sugar and refined wheat flour, either.
  14. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    Because they are often found in the dairy case at the supermarket? I think the correct term is ovo lacto vegetarianism. This means a person who does not eat meat or fish, but will eat eggs and dairy products.
  15. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    You are comparing apples and oranges. If what you say was accurate my whole family for generations back would have all died in their twenties rather than their late nineties. The most health food conscious person I ever knew, vegan from the time he first learned about veganism, and who would...
  16. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    As I understand it, vegans do not eat anything that contains any animal products at all, and that includes honey. People that call themselves vegetarians eat a larger variety of foods, but they do not eat red meat. Some people who call themselves vegetarians will, on occasion, consume chicken...
  17. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    Different people have different metabolisms. A diet one person thrives on may make another person sick. The only really good reason to go vegetarian or vegan is because you really like the food. If you don't, you will just be miserable.
  18. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    Can you make a vegan diet work? Certainly. Is it natural? No. I stand by that. Humans, however, can and do subsist on just about anything. That is one reason we have been so successful as a species. Two things that modern people eat that, in all probability, really aren't good for them...
  19. cassie

    Vegetarians ( and Vegans ) Thread!!!

    This is just a comment, and I really should keep my mouth shut because I really don't care much what people do and do not eat as long as they don't try to foist it off on me. I have eaten all the brown rice I am ever going to in this lifetime. But there is all this publicity about what is and...
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