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[Beekissed]

There were a lot of border collies removed from a breeding property in NY because the animal rights activists found out about it. This actually looked like a decent breeding facility (as good as one with a lot of dogs can look!) They had lots of space to run around, and barrels full of hay to sleep in. Wasn't enough, and they removed the dogs.

They weren't even chained...

What a shame. Dogs living out where dogs should live and they take them away...a dog trapped indoors for all their natural born life, completely out of their natural habitat and being completely inactive, without a normal social structure within their own species is considered normal and humane? I thought that was called a "zoo".

I pity the homebound dogs and cats of this world and often wonder why people can't see the cruelty in that situation.

 

[foreverlearning]

It's whatever they are acclimated to and, it could have something to do with owners as well.....I've noticed that people who never acclimatize themselves to the seasons and stay indoors a lot for winter months with the heat on 80* will also think their dogs will get cold when left outside to live and will bring them indoors so they won't "get cold". When they do that, they render the dogs as helpless against the cold weather as they are, so it's all self-inflicted.

I see dogs tied to a box out in -20F, no bedding in their dog boxes and they are just sitting next to the box like it's a sunny day. My dog has a very warm, deeply bedded dog house with hay bales stacked all around it and a flap that holds in his heat but he's still out there rolling in the snow in subzero weather, happy as a lark, running to and fro with his bones and deer hides and marking his territory.

I think maybe southern flock owners are more likely to heat and insulate a coop when cold weather comes instead of letting their chickens grow accustomed to the cold.

Our cold has been strange. I let my chicks acclimate in normal conditions but this winter we have been having 50 degree drops in just a few short hours while it is heavily raining. Even my layer flock required heat twice this winter because it would go from 70 and raining all day and drop below freezing and snowing by dusk. Now, my girls love to play in the rain but they were wet to the bone when the temps started dropping so I had to heat for fear of their health.

 

[aoxa]

What a shame. Dogs living out where dogs should live and they take them away...a dog trapped indoors for all their natural born life, completely out of their natural habitat and being completely inactive, without a normal social structure within their own species is considered normal and humane? I thought that was called a "zoo".

I pity the homebound dogs and cats of this world and often wonder why people can't see the cruelty in that situation.

So I'm not the only one who thinks those dog houses look sufficient, and the dogs healthy? I got called all sorts of names for defending the breeder... Even had death threats. Animal rights activists put animal rights ABOVE humans. While I relate more to animals than people (always have), I find their responses absurd.

A lot of people kept saying that we should sleep outside in barrels and see if we like it.. We are humans! We don't have thick fur coats all over our body! I'm sorry, didn't Inuit people live in the coldest parts of the world in igloos with animal skins for warmth and protection? I think dogs acclimated can do just fine in the cold. As long as they have shelter, and those dogs did! Ugh..

I have a hard time getting my BMD in the house on the coldest of days. He is made for the cold. So are Border Collies. They are working dogs. They have long fur coats. I'd totally understand people complaining for poodles and those little dogs that can't handle the cold.. but big dogs bred for cold environments? It makes no sense how that is any of their business...

 

[kuntrygirl]

Here in the south, EVERYONE puts emphasis on protecting your pets and other animals when it's REALLY cold and when it's REALLY hot.


That dog that was out in the -20F weather would have gotten visited by Animal Control and police and probably get a warning, a ticket or arrested or have their pet removed from their property if the owners did not supply some type of warmth or protection. They take that VERY serious in my area. With the last cold spell here, there were many dogs that died due to the cold weather and several people were arrested because of that. It was features on the news. They didn't provide the proper protection for their animals. On the news, animal abuse, etc gets almost the same amount of TV time as local arrests, robberies, etc. They have zero tolerance for that. During the cold weather, the TV station contacted me and wanted to do a story on how farmers protect their farm animals during the cold freeze. Unfortunately, I was at work and I couldn't meet with them to do the story for that evening's news.


I think you're right when you say we are more likely to heat and insulate a coop when cold weather comes. Probably because we know our animals can and have died due to the cold weather.

Around here that dog being out in the cold is just life...except in town where suddenly people feel that dogs are somehow now human children and cannot tolerate the cold.  Nor horses...all horses now have to be in or have a barn for cold weather in these parts(large PETA population here)....and in some parts of the state horses live outdoors all their lives in the coldest of weather.  Just like wild mustangs. 

I don't know where folks got the idea that animals couldn't live outdoors any longer but they were designed for just that very thing, regardless of the temps.  Shade and water in the summer heat, shelter and a place to get into in the winter cold-or not, depending on the hardiness of the animal. 

Up here, a dog house is proper protection.  Some are more merciful than that and actually supply fresh hay, straw or shavings in the dog house but many do not.  And the dogs do not die...actually the dogs are healthy as all get out and live to a ripe old age being fed cheap dog food and living outdoors in all weathers.  Same with horses....out all day in all seasons without a barn and fed cheap hay~never grain~for their lives.  They aren't constantly vetted or pampered and they live to be in their late 20s and die of old age.

The more one pampers an animal, the more they will have to pamper them to get them to survive.  The more one treats them like an animal instead of a human, the tougher and more resilient they are and they survive very well.  I've never seen an animal die from the heat or cold here.   

I have heard on the news many animals that have died from the heat and cold in our area. It's sad to see these animals featured on the news.

In our area, I think what has happened (and this is just my opinion which means nothing) is that we are truly THE COUNTRY and A LOT of people think they live in the Wild Wild West where people ride on horses to get everywhere. Everyone and their grandmother, grandfather, etc etc wants to be a "cowboy" or "cowgirl" in our area. That leads to people getting these beautiful animals and then they can't afford to feed them or provide the necessary medical care for them. That then leads to animal control and police and other people finding starved or half dead horses (and cattle on a weekly basis because some smarty pants wanted the poor horse to "show off" or to get "status" among their family and friends and forget to factor in feed, daily care, upkeep, etc. And also, there are so many kids as young 10 years that are being "gifted" these horses and the kids are not caring for them and then that leads to the parents or other adult having to care for them and then that doesn't happen either. It seems like every person on every block owns a horse or horses and 3/4 of those horse owners end up starving their horses or they leave them tied to a tree with a bucket of water that is too far away from them and they can't get a drink and then they find the poor horse dead and still tied to the tree.

I say all of that to say, that's why I think they crack down on people who are not taking care of their animals, regardless of what kind of animal it is. Instead of just concentrating on horses, they target any animal owner who is not taking care of their animals. So this then would include dogs, cats, chickens, etc, etc.

During these last few weeks of cold weather, the news has reported several cattle and dogs who did not make it in the cold weather. They froze to death. I know we don't have control over the cattle because cattle are raised to live in pasture but dogs are a different story. The owners whose dogs froze to death had to deal with the authorities due to the neglect.

 

[kuntrygirl]

 

Around here that dog being out in the cold is just life...except in town where suddenly people feel that dogs are somehow now human children and cannot tolerate the cold.  Nor horses...all horses now have to be in or have a barn for cold weather in these parts(large PETA population here)....and in some parts of the state horses live outdoors all their lives in the coldest of weather.  Just like wild mustangs. 

I don't know where folks got the idea that animals couldn't live outdoors any longer but they were designed for just that very thing, regardless of the temps.  Shade and water in the summer heat, shelter and a place to get into in the winter cold-or not, depending on the hardiness of the animal. 

Up here, a dog house is proper protection.  Some are more merciful than that and actually supply fresh hay, straw or shavings in the dog house but many do not.  And the dogs do not die...actually the dogs are healthy as all get out and live to a ripe old age being fed cheap dog food and living outdoors in all weathers.  Same with horses....out all day in all seasons without a barn and fed cheap hay~never grain~for their lives.  They aren't constantly vetted or pampered and they live to be in their late 20s and die of old age.

The more one pampers an animal, the more they will have to pamper them to get them to survive.  The more one treats them like an animal instead of a human, the tougher and more resilient they are and they survive very well.  I've never seen an animal die from the heat or cold here.   

There were a lot of border collies removed from a breeding property in NY because the animal rights activists found out about it. This actually looked like a decent breeding facility (as good as one with a lot of dogs can look!) They had lots of space to run around, and barrels full of hay to sleep in. Wasn't enough, and they removed the dogs. 

They weren't even chained...

Spoiler: Pictures.. Hidden because I don't want to hyjack.

Some images of the dogs that were taken away...

So what was the reason they removed the dogs?

 

[aoxa]

I have heard on the news many animals that have died from the heat and cold in our area. It's sad to see these animals featured on the news.

In our area, I think what has happened (and this is just my opinion which means nothing) is that we are truly THE COUNTRY and A LOT of people think they live in the Wild Wild West where people ride on horses to get everywhere. Everyone and their grandmother, grandfather, etc etc wants to be a "cowboy" or "cowgirl" in our area. That leads to people getting these beautiful animals and then they can't afford to feed them or provide the necessary medical care for them. That then leads to animal control and police and other people finding starved or half dead horses (and cattle on a weekly basis because some smarty pants wanted the poor horse to "show off" or to get "status" among their family and friends and forget to factor in feed, daily care, upkeep, etc. And also, there are so many kids as young 10 years that are being "gifted" these horses and the kids are not caring for them and then that leads to the parents or other adult having to care for them and then that doesn't happen either. It seems like every person on every block owns a horse or horses and 3/4 of those horse owners end up starving their horses or they leave them tied to a tree with a bucket of water that is too far away from them and they can't get a drink and then they find the poor horse dead and still tied to the tree.

I say all of that to say, that's why I think they crack down on people who are not taking care of their animals, regardless of what kind of animal it is. Instead of just concentrating on horses, they target any animal owner who is not taking care of their animals. So this then would include dogs, cats, chickens, etc, etc.

During these last few weeks of cold weather, the news has reported several cattle and dogs who did not make it in the cold weather. They froze to death. I know we don't have control over the cattle because cattle are raised to live in pasture but dogs are a different story. The owners whose dogs froze to death had to deal with the authorities due to the neglect.

That is incredibly sad. I can't remember the last time I heard of any local dogs dying from the cold. In the summer there is a lot of beef with people leaving their dogs in the car.. but I don't hear anything about the cold. I know plenty who have their dogs out 24/7 with shelter. As long as there is shelter... But you are right, not everyone takes care of their animals like they should.

 

[perchie.girl]

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What a shame. Dogs living out where dogs should live and they take them away...a dog trapped indoors for all their natural born life, completely out of their natural habitat and being completely inactive, without a normal social structure within their own species is considered normal and humane? I thought that was called a "zoo".

I pity the homebound dogs and cats of this world and often wonder why people can't see the cruelty in that situation.

I agree soo much. Been on the recieving end of some of those do gooders. am emotionally scarred from it.

I wont have cats ever again.... Keeping them indoors is cruel letting them outdoors is a death sentence....

My dogs have always been indoor outdoor dogs. Free access to a doggy door and a fenced yard. I choose Not to have scent hounds because of their body odor. I do want a livestock guardian and when I spoke to animal control asked him about it.... He laughed.... "rules say you have to provide a dog house.... weather or not they use it" He was a farm boy and knew the drill.

BTW its against the law here to have a dog on a tether that is stationary.... So if you want to tie your dog out it has to be to an over head cable....
deb

 

[kuntrygirl]

We were discussing volunteers for farm chores a few days ago. Looks like we have an ADULT capable volunteer for helping 3 times a week.. I can't even believe it. We are paying her in eating eggs  

OMG!!! Luck you. I'm so jealous!!!!!

 

[kuntrygirl]

 
  It's whatever they are acclimated to and, it could have something to do with owners as well.....I've noticed that people who never acclimatize themselves to the seasons and stay indoors a lot for winter months with the heat on 80* will also think their dogs will get cold when left outside to live and will bring them indoors so they won't "get cold".  When they do that, they render the dogs as helpless against the cold weather as they are, so it's all self-inflicted. 

I see dogs tied to a box out in -20F, no bedding in their dog boxes and they are just sitting next to the box like it's a sunny day.  My dog has a very warm, deeply bedded dog house with hay bales stacked all around it and a flap that holds in his heat but he's still out there rolling in the snow in subzero weather, happy as a lark, running to and fro with his bones and deer hides and marking his territory.

I think maybe southern flock owners are more likely to heat and insulate a coop when cold weather comes instead of letting their chickens grow accustomed to the cold.   

Our cold has been strange. I let my chicks acclimate in normal conditions but this winter we have been having 50 degree drops in just a few short hours while it is heavily raining. Even my layer flock required heat twice this winter because it would go from 70 and raining all day and drop below freezing and snowing by dusk. Now, my girls love to play in the rain but they were wet to the bone when the temps started dropping so I had to heat for fear of their health.

I totally understand. I feel your pain. Our weather is wicked.

 

[aoxa]

OMG!!! Luck you. I'm so jealous!!!!!

So what was the reason they removed the dogs?

They did not think the hay bedded barrels were good enough. So many complaints and harassments from animal activists broke down the animal control enough to take the dogs away. I know the initial reports said all the dogs were in good health and had sufficient housing, but something changed.. I was surprised they were taken away..