17week old Buff Orpingtons, hens or roo??

The lighter one in the first picture looks like a pullet, the one in the back I’m on the fence with. I agree you need some more clear photos of the saddle area but what I see looks pointy.😊
 
You can see the wash of color over the wing coming in too actually.
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Saddles..
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I think that your white one is a pullet also while your Buff Orpington is a rooster. I have Black Orpingtons at 20/21 weeks now all pullets. They are not at POL but very close and they have not come close to looking sexually mature yet as your Roo- especially at 17!weeks. So that helps me draw that conclusion more. The feet in the picture did not. I did not see spur development.
 
Hi, thank you so much. Its 10am here now and i managed to get a few more pics of the two Buffs. Hope they give a better view ón the feathers x
 

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