2% Lidocaine for bumblefoot surgery

[lcheshire]

Can someone tell me how to safely administer 2% Lidocaine to prep for bumblefoot surgery?

I've done the surgery lots of times, but I've never used a pain blocker. Someone gave me several of vials of Lidocaine. I have the hypodermic needles.

Curious if you used lidocaine 2% for your chicken. I have one who has bumblefoot and have access to local anesthetic. I would feel bettwr if her foot was frozen. And dosing guide or problems? She is a 5-7 lbs. Thanks

 

[azygous]

No. I decided not to risk it as it's toxic. I've never had a bumblefoot patient that could not tolerate the pain of surgery. Baby aspirin can hep with post surgical pain.

 

[Lortiz]

Can someone tell me how to safely administer 2% Lidocaine to prep for bumblefoot surgery?

I've done the surgery lots of times, but I've never used a pain blocker. Someone gave me several of vials of Lidocaine. I have the hypodermic needles.

I know this post is old, but hopefully this information will help some people.

I found this information about using lidocaine for birds on the IVIS website. "International Veterinary Information Service (IVIS) is a not-for-profit organization established to provide information to veterinarians, veterinary students, technicians and animal health professionals worldwide using Internet technology."

Here is a link to the lidocaine information:
https://www.ivis.org/library/recent...-and-analgesia-companion-animals/injectable-0

An excerpt:
"The toxicity of lidocaine is similar for birds as it is for mammals and it has been reported to cause seizures and cardiac arrest [4]. Toxicity can be prevented by using appropriate concentrations and volumes. Lidocaine (1 - 2 mg/Kg) can be used as a local anesthetic or to treat ventricular arrhythmias [4], and the maximal dose is 4 mg/Kg. For the small avian patient this often requires that the stock concentration of lidocaine (2%; 20 mg/ml) be diluted. Because of reluctance to use local anesthetics in birds, information regarding long-acting local anesthetics, such as bupivacaine, is sparse. Topical benzocaine has been used for local analgesia during repair of minor wounds in small birds [5]. A 1:1 mixture of bupivacaine and dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) was applied to amputated chicken beaks immediately after amputation and feed intake was improved [6]. Intra-articular bupivacaine, at a dosage of 3 mg in 0.3 ml saline, was reported to be effective for treating arthritic pain in chickens [7]."

These are the references.
4. Ludders JW. Avian anesthesia for the general practitioner. In: Proceedings of the North Am Vet Conf 1992-1994; 791-793.

5. Clubb SL. Round table discussion; pain management in clinical practice. J Avian Med Surg 1998; 12(4): 276-278.

6. Glatz PC, Murphy LB, and Preston AP. Analgesic therapy of beak-trimmed chickens. Aust Vet J 1992; 69(1):18.

7. Hocking PM, Gentle MJ, Bernard R, et al. Evaluation of a protocol for determining the effectiveness of pretreatment with local analgesics for reducing experimentally induced articular pain in domestic fowl. Res Vet Sci 1997; 63(3):263-267.