3 murdered hens...advice please

Sorry for your family's loss. :aww

We lived in a small unincorporated town in the county. Dumped animals especially dogs were always a problem. Animal control was no help. DH decided to take one in. Let me tell you, trying to control a dog that's been loose for who knows how long is an uphill battle. DH was gone most of the time and I resorted to chains or leashes whenever I let him out. That worked the best, but as will happen sometimes one of the kids or DH would open the door and he would bolt and be gone for a week or 2 at a stretch.

A guy in town came over once and told me while he wasn't positive, a pack of wild dogs had been on his property the night before and he almost shot one of them until he realized it might be ours. I told him if it happened again shoot. It was his right and what I would do. If the dog turned out to be that dog, there would have been no hard feelings on our part.

Do what you can to protect the rest of your girls. If their dog could get to them, then so could a cat or raccoon or any number of other predators. If I remember, Jack Russel's are those little yappy ones. If you want restitution, you'll have to get a lot of evidence I would imagine and short of letting him have a go at your birds again...well, probably not much you can do about the ones you've already lost.

Take heart. There are responsible dog owners who despite everything sometimes their dog will get out. My brother spent tons with buried concrete topped by 6ft privacy fencing and his dog still kept getting out. Turned out all he really needed was a padlock on the outside of his gate.

To his surprise twice his dog got a chicken. Both times he scoured the neighborhood looking for the owners to apologize and make restitution. He never found them. I told him if chickens were illegal, that could be why no one came forward.
 
I'm so sorry.

I'm evil. Introduce the neighbors to your daughter. Ask them to explain to her why their dog's freedom to run loose is more important than the lives of her chickens. Tell them you haven't been able to come up with a way to make her understand how that's fair, or why their pets are more important than hers. You may want to have the sheriff with you.

That will be rough on your daughter, but if it saves her future pets, it might be worth it. It also might shock your neighbors into realizing they're being
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Then again, they probably don't really care about anyone's rights but theirs. If they did, you probably wouldn't be at this point...
 
You did the neighborly thing and talked to them,i t came back, so now quietly do your thing and get rid of it! Its it or your chickens and you tried! So Sorry for your loss.
 
My heart goes out to you for the loss of your beloved girls, but I have to say I don't understand why the chickens weren't in a secure, safe coop in the first place. If you value them, love them, heck, even just see them as an investment, how could you not keep them safe and secure?

Especially after the first time! I would have put the surviving hens in a more secure pen or something, anything, right then and there. heck to save their lives until I could build something more secure, I would have put them in my garage or even in my bathroom to keep them safe and buy me some time to make or get a stronger pen.

Some earlier poster wrote, first time, shame on you, second time-- shame on me. I agree.

I have dogs, cats and am about to have chicks... and I know from experience that animals follow their animal nature. They are not like us, so if we want them to abide by our human rules we must either train them, or control their access.

You cannot control nature (raccoons, cats, dogs, foxes, coyotes hawks owls etc.) therefore you have to go in the other direction-- and control their access to your chickens-- control the thing you CAN control-- the chickens' environment.

Whether a dog "should" or "should not" be running loose (he absolutely should NOT) is not the point. "Should"s won't bring back the dead chickens nor protect the remaining ones. Put your energy first into protecting your survivors in a away you CAN control-- making them an impenetrable coop & pen.

Next, I agree with those who said take the dog to a shelter and/or Jack Russell rescue. I do not agree with murdering the dog, as its owners, not the dog, are the responsible party here for not controlling their dog.

I have a border collie and she never, ever EVER "escapes"-- I would not have gotten a dog of any kind, especially a border collie, if I did not have an extremely secure yard, fence, and gate.
I also have cats, and my neighborhood has raccoons, owls, hawks, one big unneutered roaming dog, and tons of coyotes... so by God my chickens are going to be in a chicken-Fort-Knox because part of my loving animals is my commitment to intervene to protect them from one another when it is necessary.

What I am saying here is it does not have to come down to "either/or"-- murdered chickens or murder the dog, when it is the owners who are the problem.

build a chicken pen strong enough to protect your beloved pets, first...

and then, second, take the Jack Russell to a Jack Russell rescue or the shelter. If he ends up euthanized that would be more humane than being messily shot or otherwise killed by a non-professional, and grieving, chicken owner-- are you an excellent shot? Most people are not skilled enough to quickly and humanely kill ANY kind of animal. So let the professionals at the shelter do it.

On the other hand he might be adopted by a more responsible owner.
 
In our province you have the right to 'detain' a problem animal and if you are zoned agricultural, to kill any dog caught harassing livestock.

That said, I feel sorry for the dog, too, who has horrendous owners. Jack Russells are incredibly bright animals, albeit fierce, and if caught and given to animal control they might be able to find a suitable home. Your meth-addled neighbours probably wouldn't pay to get him back and if they tried they might be forced to build a fence.

I'm so sorry you lost your cherished birds. I know you are doing the renos and I do hope that in time you can rebuild your flock.
 
I'm so sorry for your loss.

I really like Windy Ridge's idea. If your daughter can handle it, they should have to make their explanation to her.

I would also call animal control.

We had a big long heated post in this same topic yesterday. It's a terrible problem.

After I posted yesterday about the big yellow dog running loose in my neighborhood, the sheriff (who handles animal control up here) came to my house. The poor girl did her best to try to catch that loose dog, so did my neighbor, and so did I. No luck.

This morning it had peed on my porch. :thun

I know no one will account for this animal if it ever gets caught. It will most likely be put down. The thing to do, in my opinion, is to start fining people who indiscriminately breed dogs (and cats). There are enough unwanted dogs for people to adopt if they want one. Last year over 1.5 million animals were euthanized, all at taxpayers expense. I think that money could be better spent elsewhere, and the fines would bring income as well.

Just my 2 cents.

Again, I'm so sorry for the loss of your beautiful birds.
 
Just wanted to say on the animal control vs shelter vs shooting is all in where you live. When I lived in the city my advice would have been go with the animal control I would never have considered and would have been horrified at the thought of shooting. Actually taking the dog to a shelter could get you in trouble for theft, so better to leave it up to animal control.

The rural area where we most recently lived had tons and I mean tons of animals dumped. I found out really quick animal control and even the sheriffs dept were completely useless. Each would tell you the same thing "Not our job, trap it and shoot it."

The one time they did anything was trapping feral cats that were diseased. Know what they did with the ones they caught? They shot them and set the trap back out.

I tried the 3 closest animals shelters. Nope they wouldn't take animals from me because I was out of their area. A few times I had other people take animals in for me. How did they know I was out of area, well many now ask for your DL. That also limited how many could be brought in by people I knew with local addresses.

Take them in and find homes for them, you can only do so many. The OP may have an easier time as the dog is purebred. Those are the only dogs I didn't have trouble getting rid of. However if the OP actually takes the dog anywhere they may be able to be charged with theft.

I fully supported beefing up the coop, esp since this was not the 1st time. But as for what to do about that particular dog, your options have a lot to do with where you live.
 
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I don't think we should blame the victim. We live in a society where the real perpetrators are not given the blame. If I forget to lock my door and someone steals from me, is my fault? If I venture out after dark and get attacked, is it my fault for being in the wrong place? If a kid gets caught stealing a car, is it not his fault because he is misguided and the car shouldn't have been left unlocked. If a loose free roaming domesticated predator (that's what the dog was) comes into a yard and indiscriminately wipes out a few chicken, is it the poultry owner's fault? NO! NO! NO! It is the fault of the dog owner.

I just hope that the neighbors in this case are better than some and make a real attempt to make it right and fix the situation. Even if a top is put on the run, you would be surprized at what a determined terrier can dig under or chew through to get at its prey. They are tenacious little darlings (kind of like raccoons with out the opposable thumbs).
 
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