4 week old chick cant lift head

[casportpony]

From my own experience this cured my chicks as they may also have a bacterial infection at the same time and every time a chick gets sick does not mean it has cocidiosis! My chicks were acting the same way and the corid did not help them but the tylan did! It can be used to treat other things besides mg or ms buy the way. My avian vet gave me this info herself its also used to treat ecoli and samonella infections and yes the injectable form may be hard on them I also said it whould be easier to administer it orally

Pretty sure Tylan (tylosin) is not used to treat e. Coli.

-Kathy

 

[chickenstar]

Did you ask your avian vet this because that's exactly what I did.

 

[casportpony]

Did you ask your avian vet this because that's exactly what I did.

E. coli is a gram negative bacteria and I'm pretty sure tylosin is more of a gram positive antibiotic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tylosin
Tylosin is a bacteriostat food additive used in veterinary medicine. It has a broad spectrum of activity against gram-positive organisms and a limited range of gram-negative organisms.[1] It is found naturally as a fermentation product of Streptomyces fradiae.[2]

 

[casportpony]

The best drugs for e coli would be Clavamox, Augmentin, Baytril or Cipro and maybe amoxicillin.
http://www.octagon-services.co.uk/articles/poultry/gamebirds.pdf

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Did you ask your avian vet this because that's exactly what I did.

Did your vet take samples, do a gram stain and send the sample off for cultures and sensitivity testing? Tylosin can be used to treat clostridia, a gram positive bacteria, as well as mycoplasma, but I've never seen a reference to using it for e. coli.

-Kathy

 

[chickenstar]

Yes my point exactly a (limited)range of gram negative bacteria so yes it does treat ecoli and there are many different strains of ecoli so if the op does not want to take these chicks to the vet to do a gram stain or seseptability culture to find out the exact bacterium in question and this is all they can do for there chicks why not try istead of watching them die and suffer how cruel is that?

 

[dawg53]

If you have been around in the emergency forum as long as I have, as well as quite a few others members, you would observe that the symptoms described by the thread starter...as well as many other threads posted regarding problems with chicks, the MAJORITY are dealings with cocci and not necessarily ecoli or salmonella infections. ALTHOUGH they DO occur as in your case as well as a few others to include an incident with spirochetes in one instance...then yes, antibiotics are called for, these situations are in the MINORITY. You're right, bloodwork and fecal samples determines exactly what a bird may have. Most folks dont have $100 to spend on a bird, much less $2,000! Most everyone has not had case of protozoal infection and ecoli bacterial infection going on at the same time like you experienced.
If it were my bird in this instance; I would first and foremost treat for cocci...Corid. If corid didnt work, my next step would be sulfadimethoxine.
If those two products failed, THEN I would use an antibiotic that I know would work against ecoli...baytril and NOT tylan. Baytril is more potent than tylan. Ecoli requires not only a powerful antibiotic, but also a heavy dose of probiotics with poultry nutri drench. Antibiotics such as baytril, tylan, and a few others kill off good bacteria (not all) as well. If caught early, ecoli infection can be treated, otherwise the bird will die a slow death. Cocci kills much quicker than ecoli. I speak from experience, not from a book or reference. I've dealt with both cocci and ecoli.

 

[chickenstar]

Yes she did as she was trying to find an easy way to medicate my birds using a water soluble antibiotic as the other option was individual dosing kinda hard to do to 33 birds every day?

 

[casportpony]

Yes my point exactly a (limited)range of gram negative bacteria so yes it does treat ecoli and there are many different strains of ecoli so if the op does not want to take these chicks to the vet to do a gram stain or seseptability culture to find out the exact bacterium in question and this is all they can do for there chicks why not try istead of watching them die and suffer how cruel is that?

I sure wouldn't suggest an antibiotic with such limited gram coverage and I seriously doubt tylosin would work on e coli. The OP should buy the Corid and give the severe outbreak dose which is 1.5 teaspoons powder per gallon or 2 teaspoons liquid per gallon for 5-7 days.

-Kathy

 

[chickenstar]

Yes I know all this but the op could only get tylan,tell me how can change that fact of corse baytril whould be a better choice this is what the op could find if you're reading right then you whould see that that's all they could get! If I could I whould give them my baytril but I caint and I thought that they could try tylan if that's all they could get at least they tried and I was told buy my vet that this whould not hurt the chicks in a ideal world they could get vet care