55 flowery hen 'recipe'?

[Aziara]

Thanks everyone for all your help, I've got a game plan now.
Does anyone know at what percentage of Sussex I can call it a Sussex and not a cross? 7/8? 15/16? Or 31/32 or more?

 

[The Moonshiner]

Chickens don't work like that.
If they fit the breed standard then they're that breed no matter whether they're 1/4 or 31/32 or whatever.
They're wouldn't be a variety of the sussex to fit your bird though.

 

[The Moonshiner]

If it breeds true you have a new breed or color variety.

I believe it only has to breed true 50% of the time.
IMO that would hardly make it a breed or variety. I believe the 50% is because of varieties like Blue that won't breed true 100%.

 

[nicalandia]

Chickens don't work like that.
If they fit the breed standard then they're that breed no matter whether they're 1/4 or 31/32 or whatever.
They're wouldn't be a variety of the sussex to fit your bird though.

I agree, I would call them "Flowery Sussex"

 

[Aziara]

Chickens don't work like that.
If they fit the breed standard then they're that breed no matter whether they're 1/4 or 31/32 or whatever.
They're wouldn't be a variety of the sussex to fit your bird though.

I meant, to try to get a new color recognized...

I believe it only has to breed true 50% of the time.
IMO that would hardly make it a breed or variety. I believe the 50% is because of varieties like Blue that won't breed true 100%.

Well, according to the calculator, I can get them to breed true 100% at only 3/4 Sussex. I could always cross back if the body shape doesn't fit the sussex type.

 

[The Moonshiner]

The color/pattern in your case is pretty simple and straight forward.
I don't see you having any issues there. You're just wanting to add barring to a pattern that already exists.
That's easy peasy.
Its the type that you will have to get set. That means every other feature about the bird.
As for actually getting it approved by the APA as a new variety of sussex sorry to say I don't see that ever happening.
They will not be falling all over themselves to add it.
Here's a link. Click on the "guidelines link.
http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/Breed Variety Info.htm
It isn't an easy or quick process. It takes others to be involved and years and years.
Just work on it for yourself and if it works and is popular others may then get involved and then you can see where you want to take it.

 

[nicalandia]

Just work on it for yourself and if it works and is popular others may then get involved and then you can see where you want to take it.

I would agree with that, Brussbars were never accepted even if they were just autosexing Sussex, perhaps they should of just have called them Crele Sussex when they were created and have them accepted?

 

[Chicks n stuff]

55 flowery hens are gorgeous, but I really don't like the leghorn personality, or the fact that they are unlikely to set. So I would like to recreate the sex-linked color with other breeds.
I found some info on other threads about their genetics:

and:

What other breeds have these traits? I'm hoping to create a Speckled Sussex based sex-linked flowery-type breed. A Flowery Sussex, if you will.
Also, am I correct in assuming that the color is simply the same autosex coloration as a legbar + the mottling gene?
My end goal is a low-maintenance dual purpose that is a good forager and good setter, with a calm and friendly disposition.

There are silver and gold 55 Flowery Hens, that is the general assumption anyway, they could technically be carrying some other gold diluters not that that would matter that much. Silver(S) would not aid in creating an auto-sexing breed. Anyway, they carry (B^s)-Mutated Barring, homozygous (B^s) barred roosters are significantly lighter than roosters that are homozygous for the standard(B) barring. The 55 flowery is homozygous for the mottling(mo) allele. I've looked into the California Gray,(they also have (B^s) Barring), and breeds that have the standard barring(B) and mottling(mo),The Basque Hen for example, and I am certain there are other allele(s) at play that result in such an extreme sexual dichroism exhibited by the 55 Flowery Hen.

 

[nicalandia]

There are at least three allelic mutations found on the sex linked barring allele.

b+ = Wildtype found on red junglefowl
B = Sex linked Barring also known as B1
B^Sd = Sex liked Dilution. Also known as B2
B^Esd = Sex Linked Extreme Dilution. Also known as B0

 

[MysteryChicken]

B^Esd = Sex Linked Extreme Dilution. Also known as B0

What does this do/look like? Never came across this with my Barring research.